Pagans and Atheists

jlujan69 · Jan 10, 2005

When I say "Pagan", I'm referring to those who identify themselves as such on these boards. Anyway, when I read the various posts, I happen to take note of some personal items the poster displays such as gender, religion, and age. It's just what I do. Anyway, what I noticed is that those who identify themselves as Atheists are always male. I've yet to see a female Atheist (or Agnostic, come to think of it). When it comes to Pagans, the vast majority seem to be female. So, to those Atheists on these boards, do you know many females who call themselves Atheists? For the Pagans on these forums, from what you've observed, would you say that the majority of those who share your religion are male or female?

Lokisdottir · Jan 10, 2005

I know a good number of female atheists and agnostics. I myself have fit into both categories at some point during my life. Also, oddly enough, 3 out of 4 of my offline Pagan friends are male.

HouseApe · Jan 10, 2005

I would actually bet a majority of folks who call themselves "atheist" are male. That doesn't mean that there are not a lot of female atheists. I think women can tend to be more spiritual than men, especially in American society. And please don't accept bimbam's vitriol as indicative of atheism, as I wouldn't accept a theist's vitriol as indicative of the particular religious belief they follow.

Whitegravity · Jan 10, 2005

That isn't fair to say, sounds like a case of religious association...

I'm male, I visit this forum regularly, I'm friendly, and I'm Pagan. Well, my opinion in the matter has to do with the ratio of certain peoples that visit forums; depending on the subject will decide the gender's majority as easily as soap operas or monday night footbal; it is just a coincidence. Just because you don't Pagan males here doesn't mean we don't exist, I'm here . I can't and won't try to determine if religion has an effect on gender, in my opinion, I don't mind serving my goddess, and this is what I believe in and I'm a guy. The gender thing isn't my fault, I promise you that...

I suppose I will vouch support the Pagan male of the issue .

BB

jlujan69 · Jan 10, 2005

Whitegravity said:
That isn't fair to say, sounds like a case of religious association...

I'm male, I visit this forum regularly, I'm friendly, and I'm Pagan. Well, my opinion in the matter has to do with the ratio of certain peoples that visit forums; depending on the subject will decide the gender's majority as easily as soap operas or monday night footbal; it is just a coincidence. Just because you don't Pagan males here doesn't mean we don't exist, I'm here . I can't and won't try to determine if religion has an effect on gender, in my opinion, I don't mind serving my goddess, and this is what I believe in and I'm a guy. The gender thing isn't my fault, I promise you that...

I suppose I will vouch support the Pagan male of the issue .

BB

Assuming you're responding to my post, I have seen male Pagans on these boards from time to time, only a few, however. As far as subject material goes, there are plenty of males and females of all religious persuasions who hold a vast array of opinions on subjects of a moral and religious nature on this forum, and still I see few male Pagans represented and no female Atheists.
I have to wonder why male Pagans and female Atheists would not want to discuss the topics their opposite gendered fellow believers (or disbelievers) like to discuss.

Whitegravity · Jan 10, 2005

Oh, my apologies, I didn't quite understand your message. I communicate farely well with my religious counterparts, and they with me. I'm not sure they do not wish to participate in discussions like their male or female others, it is just a matter of them finding interest, I suppose. A good friend of mine, SquareC, and I often find eachother in the same topics because we share some common interests. You should also acknowledge that this forum is a huge community with over a thousand unique users, so it might prove a little rare to see two people in the same place often.

SquareC · Jan 11, 2005

Did I hear my name?

Yes, for some reason, we seem attracted to similar topics!

I've known pretty much the same number of male Pagan as female (except in Dianic Wicca... ) over the years. I've thought on it and I think I've seen fairly equal numbers online too, including here. Volos and Arikay come to mind. Whitegravity is obviously male!

I can't say if I've known as many female atheists as male. I've known a few of each. I have noticed (once you called my attention to it..) that as far as posting here, there seem to be more males than females in the atheists. Interesting observation there.

fluffy_rainbow · Jan 11, 2005

You'll find a few Atheist and Agnostic women on the General Apologetics board

Hydra009 · Jan 11, 2005

jlujan69 said:
Assuming you're responding to my post, I have seen male Pagans on these boards from time to time, only a few, however. As far as subject material goes, there are plenty of males and females of all religious persuasions who hold a vast array of opinions on subjects of a moral and religious nature on this forum, and still I see few male Pagans represented and no female Atheists.

You need to look harder. I know of quite a few female atheists here off the top of my head.

I have to wonder why male Pagans and female Atheists would not want to discuss the topics their opposite gendered fellow believers (or disbelievers) like to discuss.

Since observation #1 is false, you might want to reconsider observation #2.

ServantofTheOne · Jan 11, 2005

possibly because most females experience childbirth and their intellect tells them that the miraculous process of life that occurs within their bodies could not have been the result of mere probability as atheists believe.

sidhe · Jan 11, 2005

I don't know how many male pagans are on this board, but I have one who lives in my basement.

Maize · Jan 11, 2005

Some might consider me an Agnostic, and I am female. I don't doubt the existence of a god/supreme being/ultimate truth/the force, and I just don't believe we can prove it.

tocis · Jan 11, 2005

jlujan69 said:
to those Atheists on these boards, do you know many females who call themselves Atheists? For the Pagans on these forums, from what you've observed, would you say that the majority of those who share your religion are male or female?

No, and no (taking the role of atheist for a moment to answer the first question). Granted that I know very few such people personally, most of them are online friends... but among them, I don't notice any significant gender imbalance.

tocis · Jan 11, 2005

jlujan69 said:
I have to wonder why male Pagans and female Atheists would not want to discuss the topics their opposite gendered fellow believers (or disbelievers) like to discuss.

I may not be the best partner in a discussion, but I am male and I am a heathen... so there.

tocis · Jan 11, 2005

ServantofTheOne said:
possibly because most females experience childbirth and their intellect tells them that the miraculous process of life that occurs within their bodies could not have been the result of mere probability as atheists believe.

Oh please, not that old probability claim again. It has never been correct when christians claimed it, and it's no more correct when a muslim claims it.

ServantofTheOne · Jan 11, 2005

tocis said:
Oh please, not that old probability claim again. It has never been correct when christians claimed it, and it's no more correct when a muslim claims it.

what about when atheists claim it. is it more correct then.

HouseApe · Jan 11, 2005

ServantofTheOne said:
what about when atheists claim it. is it more correct then.

Of course!

tocis · Jan 11, 2005

ServantofTheOne said:
what about when atheists claim it. is it more correct then.

Show me an atheist who seriously claims that probability and nothing else was involved in the "formation" of the lifeforms we can observe today and I can answer your question.

pensive · Jan 11, 2005

In my personal experience, the gender mix among Pagans tends to be pretty even. Though I do agree that online, there seems often seems to be a predominance of female Pagans.

ServantofTheOne · Jan 11, 2005

tocis said:
Show me an atheist who seriously claims that probability and nothing else was involved in the "formation" of the lifeforms we can observe today and I can answer your question.

you tell me then what was the catalyst for the beginning of life?

I attended a tour given by an atheist guide on the evolution exhibit at a local museum, and he claimed that it we are the result of the roll of dice. and that if it happened all over again, we most likely would not have existed.

I asked him, that he insinuated that we are the result of one roll of a die, but in reality for an atheist/evolutionist theory to hold true we would be the result of millions if not billions sequential rolls of dice, and on each roll it would have to result in a jackpot each and everytime.

his response was that during the evolutionary cycle there were cataclysms that set the process back and another series of dice were established.

but that didn't explain no matter what cataclysmic event there would have to be millions of successive jackpots to reach the stage we are.

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