Huh? No one has quoted the BCP as saying children should not be given communion, Timothy. Or is that not what you are implying?SirTimothy said:
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Huh? No one has quoted the BCP as saying children should not be given communion, Timothy. Or is that not what you are implying?SirTimothy said:It's interesting, really. Lots of people quote tradition, but when 400 years of thoroughly Anglican tradition (i.e. the Book of Common Prayer) is quoted, it's discarded...
SirTimothy said:American Book of Common Prayer, 1979:
Q. What is required of us when we come to the Eucharist?
A. It is required that we should examine our lives, repent of our
sins, and be in love and charity with all people.
karen freeinchristman said:I do believe this may be what SirTimothy is referring to.
higgs2 said:Huh? No one has quoted the BCP as saying children should not be given communion, Timothy. Or is that not what you are implying?
higgs2 said:Oh. Well in my opinion, that would be a stretch. It seems to me that there would have to be an assumption made that anyone who is unable to examine their lives and repent of their sins is not eligible to receive communion.
That would include infants, I guess, because of an inability to understand that concept? But what about unconfirmed children, can't they examine their lives? What about unconfirmed adults? Is the requirement confirmation, or age?
*I* thought it was baptism, and baptism only. Or is that only for adults? If so, then what exactly is the point of baptising infants, anyhow?
If they are grafted on to the vine of christ at baptism, and become our brothers and sisters in Christ, but cannot partake of the body and blood, they what exactly is the point?
What about people who do not have the mental capacity to do the above? The mentally handicapped adult with a mental age of 2? The woman with Alzheimer's who receives communion from our priest at her nursing home every week? The dying man in the hospital, almost unconcious and unable to speak, who recieves the bread and wine before receiving annointing or last rites?
ECUSA uses the 1979 BCP.SirTimothy said:Contra has quoted 400 years of Book of Common Prayer, Higgs. The 1611 is the definitive historic BCP.
SirTimothy said:Contra has quoted 400 years of Book of Common Prayer, Higgs. The 1611 is the definitive historic BCP.
SirTimothy said:1662 I mean. Bah, I get the 1611 and 1662 muddled. 1662 to 2005... okay, it's 350 years, near enough. Still enough to say that it's authoritatively anglican.
gtsecc said:The definitive BCP is the 1549 Book.
higgs2 said:Well, we could go back to the original intention of baptism and confirmation being one rite done for infants like the EO. Theologically, the 1979 BCP is a step in that direction. And we could emphasize that confirmation is not a sacrament but a sacramental rite, not necessary for salvation.
We could redefine "ready for confirmation" (Elizabeth Tudor was baptised and confirmed in a single ceremony before she was one year old and she seems pretty "Anglican").
higgs2 said:And also, what 1611 book? Do you mean 1662? And 400 years? I think that is not correct. One or two phrases does not equal 400 years.
SirTimothy said:I know I'm still eagerly waiting to hear the text...
paleodoxy said:I already did that.
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