I don't think so. I don't think that we have to put down our 1979 BCP and check the 1662 to see if there's anything that applies to us that we're ignoring.SirTimothy said:
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I don't think so. I don't think that we have to put down our 1979 BCP and check the 1662 to see if there's anything that applies to us that we're ignoring.SirTimothy said:Ummm... I rather think it does! The 1662 BCP is still the standard liturgy for the worldwide Anglican Communion... it's the only single authorized liturgy for the whole communion.
higgs2 said:Thanks, Timothy. That does not apply, then, to my church.
higgs2 said:I don't think so. I don't think that we have to put down our 1979 BCP and check the 1662 to see if there's anything that applies to us that we're ignoring.
SirTimothy said:Then that is why America differs from every other province of the Anglican communion. Every other province (I believe, I may be wrong) has the 1662 as the aurthorized definitive liturgy for 'we believe as we pray'.
Timothy
You could be right. Even New Zealand, do you think?SirTimothy said:Then that is why America differs from every other province of the Anglican communion. Every other province (I believe, I may be wrong) has the 1662 as the aurthorized definitive liturgy for 'we believe as we pray'.
Timothy
Naomi4Christ said:We can't expect ECUSA to pray for the Queen, can we?
Being inclusive and affirming is the most important Christian doctrine for Anglicans.InnerPhyre said:How is it that children will be excluded but non-Christians are not? I read in another thread that you let the unbaptized partake.
higgs2 said:You could be right. Even New Zealand, do you think?
ContraMundum said:Well, I'm sorry if you think I'm being nasty to you , but I really do know when I am wasting my time, and I don't think I'm obligated to teach someone who obviously has no intention in engaging me in any meaningful way. Had you addressed the scriptures cited, the Anglican tradition as it has been since God-knows when and so forth with an open mind, then perhaps I would take the time to show you in the 1979 BCP where it says we have to examine our consciences in order to be eligible for Holy Communion (but I'm not sure about the statement you asked about), which alone should suffice to any sincere enquirer as to the intention of the practice of the Anglican church. The matter entirely rests in that principle, which you have not addressed but have been pointed toward.
Yes, I did see that.SirTimothy said:American Book of Common Prayer, 1979:
Q. What is required of us when we come to the Eucharist?
A. It is required that we should examine our lives, repent of our
sins, and be in love and charity with all people.
Oh. Well, maybe ECUSA is different than everyone else, I don't know. I do know that you won't find a 1662 prayer book in place of the 1979 BCP, although some churches have permission to use the 1928.SirTimothy said:New Zealand has the 'Book of Common Prayer' and the 'New Zealand Prayer Book'.
Much like we have the 'Book of Common Prayer' and the 'Provincial liturgy of Jerusalem and the Middle East'.
higgs2 said:Oh. Well, maybe ECUSA is different than everyone else, I don't know. I do know that you won't find a 1662 prayer book in place of the 1979 BCP, although some churches have permission to use the 1928.
Naomi4Christ said:How usual is it for churches to teach in a service that HC is only for those who have examined their conciences? I can't recall any teaching on this in a service (although I know it from midweek teaching).
If someone only shows up on a Sunday, and never comes to extra teaching or confirmation classes, how are they going to know what the correct rituals are?
As for children, in our church, they'd automatically receive a blessing, even if they don't cross their chests. For adults, if they put out their hands, they get communion.
Yes, that's true. Actually, Rite 1 is similary to the 1928 prayerbook, which is more like the 1662.Naomi4Christ said:In my experience, in the 1979 prayerbook, Rite 1 (or was it Rite A?) was similar to the 1662, and Rite 2 (B?) was similar to ASB (which was the CofE prayerbook when I left there - I came back to CW).
ContraMundum said:I've taught on it, and I preach it too. In fact, I think every time we say "ye who do earnestly repent you of your sins.." etc, that is a declaration of that principle.
Infants are unable to sin on grounds that they cannot tell the difference between good and evil yet.
SirTimothy said:Yes, but doctrinally there have been a lot of changes, Naomi. We believe as we pray, when we change what we pray (or discard it as out of date) we change what we believe.
Naomi4Christ said:So you don't spell it out, crystal clear, in standard English?
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