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where on the forum site would a comment like belong?
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The New Testament identifies believing synagogues as churches. James identifies the two in his letter. If a man in filthy rags comes into your synagogue (Jas. 2:2), don't do thus and such. And if anyone there is sick, let him call for the elders of the church (Jas. 5:14). Now when Paul came to Jerusalem (where many of these believing synagogues were), he went out of his way to reassure everybody that he was not teaching Jews to discontinue circumcising their infants. This means, in the short form, that there were New Testament churches that had infant members. A circumcised infant in a believing synagogue was a member of that church. Now if Jewish churches/synagogues had infant members, on what grounds could we exclude infants from membership in Gentile churches? We could not exclude them. But we could say that circumcision was not required for them, because the sign and seal of the covenant was in the process of being changed to baptism. "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek . . . And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" (Gal. 3:27-29).

The question for our baptistic brethren is this. Are you prepared to maintain that an infant brought to your congregation (formally and covenantally excluded) is in the same position as an infant brought to a believing synagogue in Jerusalem in AD 52? Not only would the believing synagogue not exclude such an infant, I believe that they would have difficulty even comprehending the concept of excluding the infants. And if there was such a generation-long uproar over the inclusion of the Gentiles, what would the commotion have been if the apostles really were teaching the Jews that not only must you start admitting the Gentile adults, but you must start excluding your own children? I have trouble believing that this would not have caused the Mother of all Theological Controversies. But there is not a word about such a controversy in the New Testament.
 

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Are you saying that baptism is essential for salvation? If so, then you need to back to the previous chapter in Galatians
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Galatians 2:21: I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Baptism to a Bible believing Christian is an outward declaration of an inward transformation. When my parents had me baptised as an infant, they thought it was for my salvation. It's not. The Bible says I have to work out my own salvation. How can an infant work out it's own salvation?
When I was batised as an adult, after I accepted Jesus as my personal Savior, it was because I know I want to follow Him. My baptism was not for my salvation, it was not a requirement to join my church, it was my public testimony that I love the Lord Jesus Christ with all my heart, accept Him as Savior and will spend the rest of my days serving Him.
 
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I suppose that I have no problem with baptizing infants, per se. But what are you trying to accomplish? Are you giving him grace? Are you making him a Christian? I would say no to both questions. Grace comes as the free gift of our Lord. And faith in Christ makes one a Christian. If you really wanted to accept a child into the church, you ought to minister to the parents, so that they will raise him in the faith. And if you want to splash water on him to satisfy your conscience, be my guest. I just don't think it's a valid baptism (not that one is necessary for salvation in the first place).
 
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mesue said:
Are you saying that baptism is essential for salvation? If so, then you need to back to the previous chapter in Galatians


Baptism to a Bible believing Christian is an outward declaration of an inward transformation. When my parents had me baptised as an infant, they thought it was for my salvation. It's not. The Bible says I have to work out my own salvation. How can an infant work out it's own salvation?
When I was batised as an adult, after I accepted Jesus as my personal Savior, it was because I know I want to follow Him. My baptism was not for my salvation, it was not a requirement to join my church, it was my public testimony that I love the Lord Jesus Christ with all my heart, accept Him as Savior and will spend the rest of my days serving Him.

We need to accept Christ for ourselves. And others though they want to really try, can't do it for ourselves. Because we need Him as our personal Savior & follow His will. That isn't for others to decide. We need to do so ourselves.
 
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mesue said:
Are you saying that baptism is essential for salvation? If so, then you need to back to the previous chapter in Galatians

It is not essential for salvation. "I did not come to baptize but to preach the gospel"


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Baptism to a Bible believing Christian is an outward declaration of an inward transformation. When my parents had me baptised as an infant, they thought it was for my salvation.

They must have been Catholic or a paedobaptist protestant that hasn't an understanding of the meaning of baptism. Presbyterians do not believe that the act of baptism converts the soul, but it does place the infant within the covenant "otherwise your children would be unclean." 1 Corinthians 7. It seems like you need to read my post again. It said nothing about baptism converting.

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My baptism was not for my salvation, it was not a requirement to join my church, it was my public testimony that I love the Lord Jesus Christ with all my heart, accept Him as Savior and will spend the rest of my days serving Him.

YOu sound like a good anabaptist. Everytime in the future that any baptist falls away would perhaps "feel" like he was not saved and need to be rebaptized. THis is because it may be that he was never saved before baptism. He was just swept up emotionally for a moment and really was not genuinely converted. We are very good self-deceivers.
 
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mesue said:
My parents were Roman Catholic. They were doing what they thought was a good thing. Just as any loving parent would. :)

Yeah only wanting the best for you. Their child! :amen:
 
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