P.O.D.'s "Without Jah, Nothin"

[garbage_eetur]

Musically, i think the song is great,; it makes me want to get up and dance the night away.

But, OI can't get over the fact that they had a Rastafarian sing praises to his false idol.

Now many of you asked "what idol is he singing to?" The idol's name is "jah" and when he says it, it takes ona whole new meaning than when you or I say it. Becuase, you see, he believes that Jesus came back as a man named Haile Selassie.

Now, I ask you is what POD wrong? Is having this man sing praises to his false god on a song in which it seems praise to God is the main focus indeed wrong?
Why hasn't anyone stepped forward and asked P.O.D. to explain themselves?

Just a few questions I'd thought I'd throw out. May we have a more civil discussion than last time.

 

[onajourney87]

Well, you quote P.O.D. saying that Rastafarians believe what Christians believe regarding whom Jesus was.

So there are three possibilities there:

1) the guys in P.O.D. don't understand what Rastafarians believe
2) the guys in P.O.D. don't understand whom Jesus is
3) the guys in P.O.D. know what Rastafarians believe and that they don't believe in the Jesus of the Bible, yet essentially don't care


Which one is it? I haven't a clue. If that can't be answered, I have a hard time saying whether they are right or wrong in what they've done.

Why hasn't anyone stepped forward and asked P.O.D. to explain themselves?

Perhaps few people know? To get that kinda question asked, you'll need someone with some kinda connection with P.O.D., or someone who has the profile needed to be able to interview them.

osm

 

[garbage_eetur]

Well, you quote P.O.D. saying that Rastafarians believe what Christians believe regarding whom Jesus was.

So there are three possibilities there:

1) the guys in P.O.D. don't understand what Rastafarians believe

considering the fact that they are very heavily influenced by Rastafarian culture, I doubt this.

2) the guys in P.O.D. don't understand whom Jesus is

I doubt this as well. I think they just need to see that they are wrong in their thinking that Rastas and Christians worship the same God.

3) the guys in P.O.D. know what Rastafarians believe and that they don't believe in the Jesus of the Bible, yet essentially don't care

If this is the case, someone really needs to talk to them about it. It isn't very good for their witness if you ask me.

Which one is it? I haven't a clue. If that can't be answered, I have a hard time saying whether they are right or wrong in what they've done.

So you don't know whether or not Rastafarians and Christians believe in the same GOd? Go to the first post and please read about Rastafarian culture and beliefs it will show you that they are in need of some rebuking.

 

[onajourney87]

So you don't know whether or not Rastafarians and Christians believe in the same GOd? Go to the first post and please read about Rastafarian culture and beliefs it will show you that they are in need of some rebuking.

I do know that we believe in different gods.

My point is this; if P.O.D. is ignorant about what they've done, that is a different issue than if they know fully well what they have done.

osm

 

[garbage_eetur]

I do know that we believe in different gods.

My point is this; if P.O.D. is ignorant about what they've done, that is a different issue than if they know fully well what they have done.

osm

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Ahhh. Gotcha.

 

[xpunkskaterx]

why does it matter?

 

[garbage_eetur]

it matters because as they are Christians, we need to keep them accountable for their actions. This is clearly a case in which the action has ben overlooked and or ignored.

If someone like Third Day had Osama Bin Laden sing/say "God is mighty" on a song don't yiu think someone would say something about it? I am curious as to why this has been ignored and why so many people think it's ok.

 

[holyrokker]

it matters because as they are Christians, we need to keep them accountable for their actions. This is clearly a case in which the action has ben overlooked and or ignored.

If someone like Third Day had Osama Bin Laden sing/say "God is mighty" on a song don't yiu think someone would say something about it? I am curious as to why this has been ignored and why so many people think it's ok.

You are wrong to say "We need to hold them accountable" - Are you involved in their day to day lives? No - then BUTT OUT! Accountablility is tied to relationship. You have no relationship with anyone in the band. Therefore - what you are doing here is called GOSSIP - Last time I looked - That's also a SIN.

So they hired someone to perform on one of their CDs and this guy isn't a Christian. So what? POD has MANY people working for them who aren't Christians.

This is something that happens frequently in the music business. There are many "popular" Christian bands whoe hire non-Christians to perform on their cds.

One early Christian rock band was DeGarmo & Key. They hired musicians based on talent, irregardless of their "religion" Some even toured with them.
Some even got saved in the process.

And what's with this "Osama Bin Laden" thing? It's a big leap from hiring a non-Christian to a known terrorist and murderer.

Osama Bin Laden????? GIVE ME A BREAK!!

 

[garbage_eetur]

You are wrong to say "We need to hold them accountable" - Are you involved in their day to day lives? No - then BUTT OUT! Accountablility is tied to relationship. You have no relationship with anyone in the band. Therefore - what you are doing here is called GOSSIP - Last time I looked - That's also a SIN.

Gossip? I'm sorry I am not spreading gossip. And regardless of me having any relationship with them, they are still my brothers in Christ. That is enough relationship if you ask me. IF I were to see you acting un-christlike I would do the same to you.

So they hired someone to perform on one of their CDs and this guy isn't a Christian. So what? POD has MANY people working for them who aren't Christians.

You think this has to do with him being a nonchristian? I wouldn't say anything** if he was on any other song, but the fact of the matter is that he is on a praise song, singing to his false god. If it was any other song and him saying anything else, I wouldn't have even brought it up. You treat me like I am some sort of legalist, which couldn't be farther from the truth.

One early Christian rock band was DeGarmo & Key. They hired musicians based on talent, irregardless of their "religion" Some even toured with them.
Some even got saved in the process.

Were any of these non-believers singing to their false gods? If so, I have the same problem, if not I don't care as has been stated.

And what's with this "Osama Bin Laden" thing? It's a big leap from hiring a non-Christian to a known terrorist and murderer.

Yes, it was a bit far fetched maybe you would like to place Muslim there instead. That is the point I was attempting to make and obviosuly, I have failed.

** This post has been edited from its original content because I used a word that has been deemed offensive. if I offended you with my asterisks, I would hope you would find better things to do with your time.

 

[steverock]

sorry to ressurect an old thread but it caught my eye as im a P.O.D fan.

You are wrong to say "We need to hold them accountable" - Are you involved in their day to day lives? No - then BUTT OUT! Accountablility is tied to relationship. You have no relationship with anyone in the band. Therefore - what you are doing here is called GOSSIP - Last time I looked - That's also a SIN.

So they hired someone to perform on one of their CDs and this guy isn't a Christian. So what? POD has MANY people working for them who aren't Christians.

This is something that happens frequently in the music business. There are many "popular" Christian bands whoe hire non-Christians to perform on their cds.

One early Christian rock band was DeGarmo & Key. They hired musicians based on talent, irregardless of their "religion" Some even toured with them.
Some even got saved in the process.

And what's with this "Osama Bin Laden" thing? It's a big leap from hiring a non-Christian to a known terrorist and murderer.

Osama Bin Laden????? GIVE ME A BREAK!!

nail on the head there buddy!!

i dont really have a problem about this guy being on there as he's not exactly spreading the false message of his religion by using the word "Jah". I can listen to that song thinking about the real God not a flase God so thats all i care about really. If he starting singing about how Christ had already returned then id have a problem about it but he's not spreading a false message but helping P.O.D spread their message. that's good!


P.S - lol about the Osama Bin Laden thing. a bit out of proportion methinks!

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

I do know that we believe in different gods.

My point is this; if P.O.D. is ignorant about what they've done, that is a different issue than if they know fully well what they have done.

osm

I suppose 12 stones is also ignorant for doing a song with Evanescence?

 

[Athanasian Creed]

why does it matter?

hmmm...high marks for ignorance and apathy methinks - it makes a HUGH difference !

garbage_eetur raises a VERY good point about P.O.D. I think it all comes down to what J(j)esus they serve, what G(g)ospel they preach and what S(s)pirit they have received just as the Apostle Paul warned about -

2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

The picture of J(j)esus they had in the background at one of their concerts which was in one of their videos had dreadlocks associated with Rastafarianism ([font=Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Times]Dreadlocks are a common characteristic among Rasta’s, symbolizing deep devotion to the Holy God. Another reason that Rasta’s wear dreadlocks is that locks are a semi-permanent symbol signifying their devotion to Jah(god) - [/font][font=Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Times]The followers of Rastafarianism believe that Haile Selassie the former Emperor of Ethiopia, is the Black Messiah who appeared in the flesh for the redemption of all Blacks exiled in the world of white oppressors. The movement views Ethiopia as the Promised Land. -- http://saxakali.com/caribbean/EdP.htm)

The point is there are many so-called jesus' but the only true Jesus is the one found in the Word of God which we call the Bible. All others are false.


Ray
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