In those verses in Revelation that make promises to the 'overcomer'; whom is the overcomer, what does he overcome and by what means?
Rev 2:7, 2:11; 2:17; 2:26; 3:5; 3:12; 3:21; 21:7
Rev 2:7, 2:11; 2:17; 2:26; 3:5; 3:12; 3:21; 21:7
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Overcomer?
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Cajun Huguenot
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Good question McW,
He that overcometh is (IMHO) the same as he that perseveres to the end. We are saved by faith alone but if our faith is not one that perseveres to the end or one that overcomes, than that faith is not saving faith.
True saving faith will overcome and will persevere to the end, but these warnings are very important. They guard against false faith and easy believe-ism that is so common in some Christian circles today.
I think it is important to remind Calvinists that the 5th point is -- "Pereseverance of the Saints" and not "Once saved always saved" (OSAS). There is a subtle, but important difference between the to phrases.
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He that overcometh is (IMHO) the same as he that perseveres to the end. We are saved by faith alone but if our faith is not one that perseveres to the end or one that overcomes, than that faith is not saving faith.
True saving faith will overcome and will persevere to the end, but these warnings are very important. They guard against false faith and easy believe-ism that is so common in some Christian circles today.
I think it is important to remind Calvinists that the 5th point is -- "Pereseverance of the Saints" and not "Once saved always saved" (OSAS). There is a subtle, but important difference between the to phrases.
Coram Deo,
Kenith
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I think the overcomers are simply those whom God has chosen and saved. They have overcome the "world," and their sin, and done it by believing on Christ.
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The will be a time, those who "play" Christians will fall and only see the few who overcame in God's grace.
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Dear McW,
You ask great questions. I know my answer will fall far short of what you ask, but here is a start.
When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. (John 8:10,11)
Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD (Lev. 19:18)
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you (Matt 5:14)
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently. (1 Peter 1:22)
Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous: Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing. (1 Peter 3: 8,9)
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. (James 2:17, 18)
The Scriptures say a whole lot more about how we should love one another and act toward one another. It also tells us to love those who are opposed to us. I know that I fall far short of the mark, but in my walk with Christ the goal does not change and we are called daily to be Christ like in all that we do, say and think.
We are to love our neighbour, our enemies and most especially our bothers and sisters in Christ. Good, solid theology is important, but it is as or more important that we live the Live that Christ calls us unto.
Coram Deo,
Kenith
You ask great questions. I know my answer will fall far short of what you ask, but here is a start.
When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. (John 8:10,11)
Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD (Lev. 19:18)
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you (Matt 5:14)
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently. (1 Peter 1:22)
Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous: Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing. (1 Peter 3: 8,9)
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. (James 2:17, 18)
The Scriptures say a whole lot more about how we should love one another and act toward one another. It also tells us to love those who are opposed to us. I know that I fall far short of the mark, but in my walk with Christ the goal does not change and we are called daily to be Christ like in all that we do, say and think.
We are to love our neighbour, our enemies and most especially our bothers and sisters in Christ. Good, solid theology is important, but it is as or more important that we live the Live that Christ calls us unto.
Coram Deo,
Kenith
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John Gill comments:
"To him that overcometh:
the false apostles, false teachers, and their doctrines; coldness, lukewarmness, and remissness in love; the impure tenets and practices of the Nicolaitans: "
Nicolaitans...I believe these are people who practice "priestcraft" claiming an illegitimate authority over the people & form an elevated class "clergy".
Nico=conqueror + Laity=the people
John Gill comments:
"To him that overcometh:
the false apostles, false teachers, and their doctrines; coldness, lukewarmness, and remissness in love; the impure tenets and practices of the Nicolaitans: "
Nicolaitans...I believe these are people who practice "priestcraft" claiming an illegitimate authority over the people & form an elevated class "clergy".
Nico=conqueror + Laity=the people
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plmarquette
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He that "overcometh" is you the reader who is doing battle with the error being mentioned in that particular church ... luke warm , watered down message , strange doctrine , false doctrine , carnal approach , etc.
To he , who by the Grace of God , and faith within , distances himself from evil & false traditions , I will give " a reward , prize , blessing " for what you have defeated in your life ...ok?
To he , who by the Grace of God , and faith within , distances himself from evil & false traditions , I will give " a reward , prize , blessing " for what you have defeated in your life ...ok?
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