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SonOfZion · Jun 29, 2018

BABerean2 said:
Absolutely not.

He came to fulfill the Old Covenant, in the same way that the contract to build a new house is fulfilled when the house is completed.

He built us a new house out of two pieces of wood and a handful of nails.

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Wrong, you don't even understand the word Fulfill

Did YESHUA keep all the commandments? Thus fulfilling them All.

No

He did not keep the commandments that are only applicable to Farmers

He did not keep the commandments that are only applicable to Priests

He did not keep the commandments that are only applicable to Women

What does the Greek Word translated as Fulfill mean in Matthew 5:17

Let's examine, YESHUA said Don't think that He has come to destroy the Torah or the Prophets but Pleroo

Improper understanding, Don't think that I came to destroy the Torah and the Prophet, but Keep all the commandments, everything written in the prophets - Making them null and Void

Doublespeak

Fulfill means to, Fill to the Full, Cause to Abound, In this instance the contrast is Destroy (Teach Inaccurately) but to Teach the true Meanings. Isaiah 42:21 Make it Honorable

Do not think that I came to Destroy the Torah or the Prophets (Teach them falsely) but to Pleroo - Fill the words of the Torah and the Prophets with meaning, cause them to abound. Matthew 5:18

gomerian · Jun 29, 2018

BABerean2 said:
why are you posting on this forum

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...all the blue belongs to you...

This is the time of the end. When the against-law people will call to... er... the boys in blue. Hypocrisy becomes Irony. Not only is BABerean2 acting like he's the rentacop from Sheol, but he's doing it on the thread of someone he has false-witnessed against 3 times.

Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

gomerian · Jun 29, 2018

22:21 And Balaam rose up in the morning, and saddled his ass, and went with the princes of Moab. 22 And God was very angry because he went; and the angel of the Lord rose up to withstand him. Now he had mounted his ass, and his two servants were with him. 23 And when the ass saw the angel of God standing opposite in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand, then the ass turned aside out of the way, and went into the field; and Balaam smote the ass with his staff to direct her in the way.
24 And the angel of the Lord stood in the avenues of the vines, a fence being on this side and a fence on that. 25 And when the ass saw the angel of God, she thrust herself against the wall, and crushed Balaam's foot against the wall, and he smote her again.
26 And the angel of the Lord went farther, and came and stood in a narrow place where it was impossible to turn to the right or the left. 27 And when the ass saw the angel of God, she lay down under Balaam; and Balaam was angry, and struck the ass with his staff. 28 And God opened the mouth of the ass, and she says to Balaam, What have I done to thee, that thou hast smitten me this third time? 29 And Balaam said to the ass, Because thou hast mocked me; and if I had had a sword in my hand, I would now have killed thee. 30 And the ass says to Balaam, Am not I thine ass on which thou hast ridden since thy youth till this day? did I ever do thus to thee, utterly disregarding thee? and he said, No. 31 And God opened the eyes of Balaam, and he sees the angel of the Lord withstanding him in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand, and he stooped down and worshipped on his face. 32 And the angel of God said to him, Why hast thou smitten thine ass this third time? and, behold, I came out to withstand thee, for thy way was not seemly before me; and when the ass saw me, she turned away from me this third time. 33 And if she had not turned out of the way, surely now, I should have slain thee, and should have saved her alive. 34 And Balaam said to the angel of the Lord, I have sinned, for I did not know that thou wert standing opposite in the way to meet me; and now if it shall not be pleasing to thee for me to go on, I will return.

31:1 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 Avenge the wrongs of the children of Israel on the Madianites, and afterwards thou shalt be added to thy people. 3 And Moses spoke to the people, saying, Arm some of you, and set yourselves in array before the Lord against Madian, to inflict vengeance on Madian from the Lord. 4 Send a thousand of each tribe from all the tribes of the children of Israel to set themselves in array. 5 And they numbered of the thousands of Israel a thousand of each tribe, twelve thousands; these were armed for war. 6 And Moses sent them away a thousand of every tribe with their forces, and Phinees the son of Eleazar the son of Aaron the priest: and the holy instruments, and the signal trumpets were in their hands.
7 And they set themselves in array against Madian, as the Lord commanded Moses; and they slew every male. 8 And they slew the kings of Madian together with their slain subjects; even Evi and Rocon, and Sur, and Ur, and Roboc, five kings of Madian; and they slew with the sword Balaam the son of Beor with their other slain.

gomerian · Jun 29, 2018

SonOfZion said:
Thus fulfilling them All in christianize thinking.

The persecuted were The Way.

SonOfZion · Jun 29, 2018

gomerian said:
The persecuted were The Way.

Not to be harsh, you find disagreements persecution? That's not persecution, The Word is the final authority. Someone disagreeing with you doesn't mean they want to put you to death.

1 Corinthians 11:19

αἵρεσις haíresis - heresies - In the ESV factions

dissensions arising from diversity of opinions and aims

As for me, All 66 books of the Holy Bible are the Inspired word of Elohim Genesis 1:1 - Revelation 22:21 - If you don't agree as was alleged, not going to search your posts, but if you believe that certain parts of the Bible are there by mistake, then we
really have no basis for discussion at all.

gomerian · Jun 29, 2018

SonOfZion said:
Not to be harsh, you find disagreements persecution?

As for me, All 66 books of the Holy Bible are the Inspired word of Elohim

Wasn't talking about you, SonOfZion... only TO you.

The only things Jesus talks about are the Law and the Prophets, and the word of Eternal Life that the Father gave to Him as the Kingdom Gospel. I don't really know what Jesus would say about the category "Inspired Word", so I refuse to think about.

SonOfZion · Jun 29, 2018

gomerian said:
Wasn't talking about you, SonOfZion... only TO you.

The only things Jesus talks about are the Law and the Prophets, and the word of Eternal Life that the Father gave to Him as the Kingdom Gospel... and then the words given to us by the 11. I don't really know what Jesus would say about anything else, so I refuse to think about.

Exhibit 123 Other Sheep

When I questioned your handle, made some leading into it comments - funnier now, since your answer to why Gomer was chosen - No, It just doesn't make sense. - your final answer being - He will give me a new name, the one I pick now - what of it - it doesn't mean what the Bible says, Gomer went somewhere else

yes he did

You Answered Initially by saying, your bold

Post #123

wow

Matthew 5:11-12 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for My sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

John 12:48 He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

So speaking evil against you is questioning your name?

Rejecting you on this matter is rejecting His Words?

o my

gomerian · Jun 29, 2018

SonOfZion said:
made some leading into it comments

Matthew 5:11-12 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for My sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

So speaking evil against you is questioning your name?

Nope, because you forget what you said... apart from your leading comments. You implied that I didn't think much of God's name. That's simply not true. I'm not looking for a name other than what God will give me. Anything else is immaterial.

SonOfZion · Jun 29, 2018

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gomerian said:
Nope, because you forget what you said... apart from your leading comments. You implied that I didn't think much of God's name. That's simply not true. I'm not looking for a name other than what God will give me. Anything else is immaterial.

Gomer Said

"I do mind.

We all chose the names we're going by for a reason,
and our choice should be respected.
Sadly, the high-road is never crowded."

Asked Him also how he studies the Bible, He replied as such

Gomer said

"Interlinear.

We don't know what that pure language was before Babel."

Was Gomer's Response to this nugget.

"Baruch HaShem!

Zephaniah 3:9 For then I will turn the people to a pure Language, That they may Call upon The Name of YAHUWAH, To Serve Him with one consent.

Zephaniah 3:8

Is The Only Verse in the Entire Hebrew Bible with All 22 Hebrew Letters an 5 final forms, sofits in it.

Do you believe that the Almighty, Infinite in understanding is not trying to tell you something?

How do you study the Bible seriously without getting into the original languages?"

Gomer Said
"Interlinear"

That was his answer on how he studies the Bible seriously.

Then this was Shared with Gomer post #130

"Gomer = The representation of unfaithful Israel. Hosea 1:3

Ashkanaz ("a man as sprinkled: fire as scattered")

Ripath ("spoken")

Togarmah ("thou wilt break her")

So why do you want to be called Gomer? Gomer."

and Gomer responded and said in post #141

It is interesting that you could find definitions for Gomer's children, though. Sources, please? ancient history is a hobby of mine. Gomer is in the concordance, but not his children. Jubainville says the Illyrians and Thracians and Ligurians are the first Indo-European people... I believe these people to be Gomerians

The concordance at the back of some Bibles, qualifies neither as a true interlinear or concordance which are good starts for word studies, Hebrew pictographs for deeper meanings.

YHWH

Yad - Arm

Hey - Behold

Waw - Nail (tent peg)

Hey - Behold

Arm Behold Nail Behold is the Name Pictographically in Hebrew

YAHUWAH

Buy a real concordance and Hebrew Greek Interlinear

or do the same here a lot faster, narrowing down your intended topic of study

Gomer 6 times in 6 verses: Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

gomerian · Jun 29, 2018

SonOfZion said:
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narrowing down your intended topic of study

Good idea. No need to paraphrase, is there.
Here ya go, SonOfZion:

SonOfZion said:
That's ok with me Mr Gomerian, I said it that was a hope of mine, well, guessing now with a little more to go by that it wasn't acceptable to you

But Neither was the obvious message you should have considered, which was much more important for you to do all you can do to be acceptable to Him, not have to be ashamed in judgement. Suffer Loss

Since His name is not important to You, impossible to know

hey

Would you prefer Gomey with a y intstead?

"Since His name is not important to You", is what you said.

Nor do I have "suffer loss". God has given His only begotten Son the Kingdom Gospel by which I am judged... the yardstick by which all are measured. No human trumps God incarnate in sinless flesh.

BABerean2 · Jun 29, 2018

gomerian said:
God has given His only begotten Son the Kingdom Gospel by which I am judged... the yardstick by which all are measured.

And we are all found "guilty", including those who claim they are keeping the Sinai Covenant.

The Gospel is not about what I can try to do.
It is about what Christ has already done.

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gomerian · Jun 29, 2018

BABerean2 said:
And we are all found "guilty", including those who claim they are keeping the Sinai Covenant.

The Gospel is not about what I can try to do.
It is about what Christ has already done.

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That's nothing like what Jesus says. The Kingdom Gospel (the entire life and words of Jesus) is all about the Commandments we are told to keep if we love Jesus. Only Jesus is able to decide who's guilty... humans can't handle the job, because humans have bias... and God hasn't delegated the job.

And I don't think that judgement has happened yet... lemme check... Nope. No rolled up sky, no New Jerusalem.

Anyone who thinks I can't keep the first law must be the terror of their neighborhood, and only seconds away from an extended stay in the big house.

SonOfZion · Jun 29, 2018

gomerian said:
Good idea. No need to paraphrase, is there.
Here ya go, SonOfZion:

"Since His name is not important to You", is what you said.

Nor do I have "suffer loss". God has given His only begotten Son the Kingdom Gospel by which I am judged... the yardstick by which all are measured. No human trumps God incarnate in sinless flesh.

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Nope, because you forget what you said... apart from your leading comments. You implied that I didn't think much of God's name. That's simply not true. I'm not looking for a name other than what God will give me. Anything else is immaterial.

But you said the following Before His Name came into question, whether it could be known, did you care.

This answer is About your own chosen name. gomerian

"I do mind.

We all chose the names we're going by for a reason,
and our choice should be respected.
Sadly, the high-road is never crowded."

Review

you chose Gomerian for a reason, that is immaterial, not important, but important enough that to not say it correctly was an attack on you, mr gomey

But showed little concern whether His name can be known through study, which it can.

In opposition to what His people should be calling themselves now Isaiah 44:5 - Which is a Completely separate Issue than the New name that He will give.

You are not being judged, persecuted, or any other supposed infraction against your integrity, You never clarified, it was because I said you didn't care about His name, But taking the high road means defending a name you said is immaterial, that you picked for a reason.

This post was to clarify from the beginning

call yourself whatever, your choice

BABerean2 · Jun 29, 2018

gomerian said:
That's nothing like what Jesus says. The Kingdom Gospel (the entire life and words of Jesus) is all about the Commandments we are told to keep if we love Jesus. Only Jesus is able to decide who's guilty...

Gomer,

Based on the above, maybe you think you can save yourself by keeping commandments ?

You are ignoring the fact that there are two different sets of commandments in the verse below.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

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gomerian · Jun 29, 2018

SonOfZion said:
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call yourself whatever, your choice

Well, THAT's a relief, isn't it.

gomerian · Jun 29, 2018

BABerean2 said:
Gomer,
Based on the above, maybe you think you can save yourself by keeping commandments ?
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Why do people continue to assume that they know what another person means, when clearly they're not enough like the person they're attempting to psychoanalyze, to know anything of the kind.

When did I EVER say that? Here's what Jesus says:

"If ye love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."(John.14)

Seems like the complete salvation package, to me.

BABerean2 said:
You are ignoring the fact that there are two different sets of commandments in the verse below.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
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Did you already forget the last time you made that exact same statement, BABerean2? Go find THAT answer. I'll wait here...

BABerean2 · Jun 29, 2018

gomerian said:
"If ye love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."(John.14)

Seems like the complete salvation package, to me.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

The sequence of being "born again" of the Spirit is found above.

(See John 3:1-8)
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gomerian · Jun 30, 2018

BABerean2 said:
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Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put My words in His mouth; and He shall speak unto them all that I shall command Him. 19 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto My words which He shall speak in My name, I will require [it] of him.

John 12:48 He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 12:49 For I have not spoken of Myself; but the Father which sent Me, He gave Me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 12:50 And I know that His commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak.

"If ye love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."(John.14)

gomerian · Jun 30, 2018

Isaiah 8:16 "Bind up the testimony, seal the law among My disciples." 17 And I will wait upon the LORD, that hideth His face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for Him. 18 "Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given Me [are] for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion." 19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead? 20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.

John 17:6 I have manifested Thy name unto the men which thou gavest Me out of the world: Thine they were, and Thou gavest them Me; and they have kept Thy word.

John 6:44 No man can come to Me, except the Father which hath sent Me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught by God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned from the Father, cometh unto Me.

Matthew 24:14 And this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.
3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Revelation 11:3 And I will give [power] unto My two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

BABerean2 · Jun 30, 2018

gomerian said:
"If ye love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."(John.14)

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

The Apostle John recorded both passages.

You can try to ignore the one that destroys the doctrine of the Judaisers...

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