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OT Saints ~ Eternally Secure?
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Read Luke 16.
Which side of the great gulf does Abraham belong to?
Read Hebrews 11.
Which side of faith are the OT members described there listed upon?
Read the Gospel accounts of the Transfiguration.
Do Moses and Elijah appear with Jesus, or with Satan?
Read Psalm 23.
Which house will David dwell in forever?
Read Psalm 73.
When the Lord receives Asaph into glory, where is that?
Perhaps those biblical accounts of the OT faithful will help you see the answer to your question.
Which side of the great gulf does Abraham belong to?
Read Hebrews 11.
Which side of faith are the OT members described there listed upon?
Read the Gospel accounts of the Transfiguration.
Do Moses and Elijah appear with Jesus, or with Satan?
Read Psalm 23.
Which house will David dwell in forever?
Read Psalm 73.
When the Lord receives Asaph into glory, where is that?
Perhaps those biblical accounts of the OT faithful will help you see the answer to your question.
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Dave Taylor said:
Thanks Dave, I was looking for a Dispensational view point on this issue. As a five pointer, this issue is settled for me already.
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No, an honest one. If the believe is now secure because of the Holy Spirit, what happened to the OT saints...were they secure?
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Yes they are. I really don't see a lot of relevance to the question. There are no OT saints left living today. So, would you think that somebody could pass the impassable gulf after death? On what basis?Street Preacher said:
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Street Preacher said:
I didn't say "were secure" but "are secure".
A believer is secure based on the finished work of Christ and true faith in that work: he has passed from death to life, on this side of death. OT saints cannot pass from death to life (or the reverse) because they have already died a long time ago.
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Street Preacher said:
That is like asking if one passes a sobriety test, Are they Drunk?
All SAINTS are secure, or they wouldn't be called SAINTS.
God Bless.
Live Well, Laugh Often and LOve the Lord!
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Dispy said:
Not really. Let me re-work the question a little...did they (believers in the OT) know they were eternally secure like the believers know they are now?
PS: Most dispensationalists deny that OT believer were regenerated, and the the covenant theology tells us they were...so if the OT believer wasn't regenerated, how did they know they were secure?
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Street Preacher said:
Yes, they may not have known that they were, as many NT saints do not either, but Yes they were, yet the "price" of thier righteousness had yet to be paid, that price being paid by way of the shed blood of Christ.
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Street Preacher said:
They did not have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. And indeed there are many who are indwelt with/by the Holy Spirit today who don't know/believe that they are secure, is this not so?
Something can be true even if no one believes it, it is defined as such by God. Eternal security is defined by God, even if no one believes it, it doesn't affect its reality. Now the OT believers may not have understood eternal security, but today they would be the best witnesses of if, I would say!
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