OSAS is unBiblical

[Catholic Dude]

OSAS is an UnBiblical teaching and leads to a false sense of security.

The problem on these forums I see people make is the difference from being separated from Christ due to an outside force versus due to a personal failing.
It is true that an outside force cant separate a person from Christ, but the person's individual failings can.

Matthew 18 shows a clear example:

23 "Therefore the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wished to settle accounts with his servants.

24 When he began the reckoning, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents; 25 and as he could not pay, his lord ordered him to be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and payment to be made. 26 So the servant fell on his knees, imploring him, 'Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay you everything.' 27 And out of pity for him the lord of that servant released him and forgave him the debt.

28 But that same servant, as he went out, came upon one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii; and seizing him by the throat he said, 'Pay what you owe.' 29 So his fellow servant fell down and besought him, 'Have patience with me, and I will pay you.' 30 He refused and went and put him in prison till he should pay the debt.

31 When his fellow servants saw what had taken place, they were greatly distressed, and they went and reported to their lord all that had taken place. 32 Then his lord summoned him and said to him, 'You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you besought me; 33 and should not you have had mercy on your fellow servant, as I had mercy on you?' 34 And in anger his lord delivered him to the jailers, till he should pay all his debt.

35 So also my heavenly Father will do to every one of you, if you do not forgive your brother from your heart."
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In this example the first man owed a huge debt, so huge it could never be paid off (the NIV says "millions of dollars"). In comparison the second man owed very little (the NIV says "a few dollars"). What it is saying is God knew that the man counldnt get out of the mess he was in so God forgave him. That man in turn went out and chose to do evil. God in turn punished the man and put him in prision and re-enacted the debt.

 

[Nazaroo]

...good thing it was a 'smaller' debt.

But not good enough.

I agree with you. OSAS OASIS is a bunch of bunk.
I had long discussions with a few ardent adherents to these pernicious false doctrines, and it was very difficult. When they took texts and turned them inside out or ignored their plain meaning, it was frustrating. Similarly, when they composed doctrines that by implication dishonoured God as a capricous unpredictable favouritist, they just glossed over it and declared God 'just' by fiat.

The most frustrating biblical discussions I have ever had, and that includes arguing with Jehovah's witnesses, atheists, and satanists.

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

OSAS is an UnBiblical teaching and leads to a false sense of security.

The problem on these forums I see people make is the difference from being separated from Christ due to an outside force versus due to a personal failing.
It is true that an outside force cant separate a person from Christ, but the person's individual failings can.

I'm a tad unclear as to the purpose of this thread; given the title and wording of the OP...


Is the purpose to discuss a topic in hopes that Christians will better understand each other?

Is the purpose to share an opinion in hopes that others will share their views, too?

Is the purpose to rebuke, condemn and ridicule?

Can you explain?



To the topic...


OSAS is a concept attributed to Calvin (I'm not sure he actually taught it, specifically, but his followers did). Of course, the vast majority of Protestants do not agree, even most Calvinists I've met don't agree. But it is one of those controversal positions.


Here are MY thoughts...


IF a Christian was overwhelmed by their unworthiness and weakness, if they were overwhelmed by the power of sin and Satan, if they were truly concerned that they might not be saved, here's what I'd say:

Romans 8:29-39, For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified. What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all--how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died--more than that, who was raised to life--is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? As it is written: "For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered." No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. "

Mark 13:22, "For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect--if that were possible.

John 4:14, "but whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life."

John 20:28, I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.

1 Thess. 5:24, "The one who calls you is faithful and he will do it.

Hebrews 10:14, "because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

Rev. 3:5, "I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels."

I would NOT make doctrine out of these, but I would apply these - and others - to comfort and assure them.


IF the person thought, "Hey, why not eat, drink and be merry? Hey, I can do whatever I want, think whatever I want, believe whatever I want - because 'ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED!' Hey, I was baptized, hey I did the Billy Graham altar call thing, I got Confirmed, I'm a member of XYZ denomination so I'm saved!!!" Here's what I'd say:


John 15:4-7, "Remain in me, and I will remain in you... If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned."

Rev. 2:10, "Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.

Matthew 10:22, "He who stands firm to the end will be saved."

1 Timothy 4:1, "The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons."

Luke 8:13, "They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away."

John 8:31, "If you hold to my teaching, you are really My disciples."

Luke 21:19, "By standing firm you will gain life."

Hebrews 8:9, "They did not remain faithful to My covenant, and I turned away from them"

Gal. 5:4, "You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace."

Col. 1:23, "If you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel."

Hebrews 10:26, "If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God."

2 Peter 1:8-10, "But if anyone does not have them, he is nearsighted and blind, and has forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins. Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure."

2 Peter 3:17, "Be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position."

Rev. 3:5, He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white.

Luke 12:8, "He who disowns Me before men will be disowned before the angels of God."


And all the many verses that talk about being faithful... I would NOT make doctrine out of this, it's just the verses I might use in such a case.


As so often in theology, we find there are "two sides of the coin." To ME, the approach is NOT to take all the Scriptures, subject them to our limited, fallable, sinful, human LOGIC and force them to "fit" and "make sense" to US. To ME, the approach is to accept both "sets" of scriptures at their face value and allow them to stand just as God inspired them. The approach, then, is in how to APPLY them rather than in how to force them to fit together.


MY $0.01...


- Josiah


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[Tonks]

 

[NotEnoughFaith2BeAtheist]

It's not unBiblical, there are a lot of verses that say to us that we can lose our salvation.
Saying Mary was sinless, now that is unBiblical.

 

[NotEnoughFaith2BeAtheist]

I meant to say can't. And suddenly CF is taking forever to load!

 

[Tonks]

It's not unBiblical, there are a lot of verses that say to us that we can lose our salvation.
Saying Mary was sinless, now that is unBiblical.

And wholly irrelevant to the OP

 

[Albion]

OSAS is an UnBiblical teaching and leads to a false sense of security.

1. Eternal Security in no way leads to a false sense of security since no one knows if he is among the elect or not.

2. The teaching of Eternal Security cannot be unBiblical in that Jesus himself said that in no way would those whom the Father had given to him be taken from him. Eternal Security. Biblical. OP Claim disproved.

 

[Lynn73]

I would think the Lord would want us to be secure and not fretting about our salvation all the time, wondering if we've lost it or not. If salvation is a gift received by faith as the Bible indicates, then what kind of God takes back a gift He freely gave? If your children misbehave, I assume you take their gifts back? Imho we need to feel secure in our salvation so we can get on about the business of living for Him and sharing the gospel where we can. If I truly believed I could lose my salvation, I'd be terrified every single day for the rest of my life. Course the devil tries to get me to doubt my salvation quite often and that's usually because my eyes are on my performance which I doubt will ever be perfect. If salvation is performance based then we get ourselves to heaven, not Christ.

 

[SeekingTheTruth0819]

When was OSAS first invented?

 

[Nazaroo]

When was OSAS first invented?

It was the brainchild of Walt Disney.
It came to him while shooting the 'documentary' about the lemmings running into the sea, as he had his cameramen stampede the lemmings offcamera and drown.