Well I just want to know your thoughts on this, im glad because that is one less plotter for killing people in the world, but a part of me thinks that the US could of spent there money better rather than chacing a man half way across the world 
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He was a moral, ethical being. He lived by moral narratives. It is just that his concept of right and wrong caused people sadness and pain. That's not ideal, it's undesirable, but we're all like that to some degree.
I don't think that these global dramas result from concentrated evil in certain individuals, whilst the rest of us are relatively pure, but rather they - and the major players who enact them - emerge from the influence of collections of interactive agents who simply all have their faults.
If 180 people are 1[sup]o[/sup] out each, that's potentially a full 180[sup]o[/sup] out of line for collective behaviour.
I don't think that these global dramas result from concentrated evil in certain individuals, whilst the rest of us are relatively pure, but rather they - and the major players who enact them - emerge from the influence of collections of interactive agents who simply all have their faults.
If 180 people are 1[sup]o[/sup] out each, that's potentially a full 180[sup]o[/sup] out of line for collective behaviour.
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Well I just want to know your thoughts on this, im glad because that is one less plotter for killing people in the world, but a part of me thinks that the US could of spent there money better rather than chacing a man half way across the world
I just think it is ironic how we finally kill him when we don't spend a bazillion dollars invading and occupying a nation.
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/bin-laden-is-dead/
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Mark, that's not the irony. Clearly AF and Iraq were not largely about killing Osama, right? It's ironic that "we" would write "we" killed him, and also that people attribute it to Obama.
I learned of the event via phone w/ my Sister. I expected they found him dead due to kidney failure, or that someone had turned him in for the reward, possibly at his own request, to fund his goals. At this point the whole thing is really uneventful.
I learned of the event via phone w/ my Sister. I expected they found him dead due to kidney failure, or that someone had turned him in for the reward, possibly at his own request, to fund his goals. At this point the whole thing is really uneventful.
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at OBL's direction, people flew civilian airplanes into buildings. you'd know yourself best, of course, but "we" are all not like that.
some kinds of evil movements need evil leadership: pol pot and the khmer rouge, stalin and the USSR, mao, napoleon, etc. the list is long.
thank the gods OBL, that "moral" being, is fishfood.
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All this frenzy over OSB is just to take attention away from Obama's fake birth certificate. Trufax.
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Knowing very little about it, I see
Con's:
I am never pleased by a person's death, unless they were terminally ill, in pain, and they actually wanted to die.
Using the military to assassinate somebody without trial does not seem to be any kind of justice, to me. I would have liked to see him judged and convicted.
Pro's: The quick, quiet approach avoids the sort of drama that would have swept up more and more people in retributive attacks.
Managed it without starting another war.
I hope that it may help bring our latest round of warmongering to an end--hopefully starting with getting out of Afghanistan.
I will be amused to see how Fox spins this. How will they manage to portray Obama as evil, while maintaining that what he had done was good?
Con's:
I am never pleased by a person's death, unless they were terminally ill, in pain, and they actually wanted to die.
Using the military to assassinate somebody without trial does not seem to be any kind of justice, to me. I would have liked to see him judged and convicted.
Pro's: The quick, quiet approach avoids the sort of drama that would have swept up more and more people in retributive attacks.
Managed it without starting another war.
I hope that it may help bring our latest round of warmongering to an end--hopefully starting with getting out of Afghanistan.
I will be amused to see how Fox spins this. How will they manage to portray Obama as evil, while maintaining that what he had done was good?
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OBL was terminally ill, in pain, and embraced death. (If not for all, at least for many)
IMHO this thinking is bass ackwards:
1) Anyone prone to "retributive attacks" has been swept up more and more, and will continue to be.
2) In one sense any findings of trial were concluded before US even planned to attack AF.
Now Saddam, I would have liked to have seen face ALL his charges before being executed.
WUT? You're unaware the US stands accused of "starting another war" in Pakistan?The 2 are unrelated. And the plan(s) to do that have long been underway.
Obama still didn't "do this." He made a speech.
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Meh. If you want to play that game, it was Clinton before Bush who tried to kill OBL.
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My point is Obama really has nothing to do with it. He couldn't very well "call off the dogs," could he?
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By who? The news report I read said that this was accomplished with the assistance of the Pakistani government.
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Right, now that we have some respectable accomplishment. For months, we have been flying drones in, and both US and Pakistani Gov'ts have been denying any knowledge. for a lot of that time, US has been accused of starting another way. (Bush's pre-emptive strike policy sorta headed that one off at the pass too, by declaring the war to be on terrorism.)
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OBL was terminally ill, in pain, and embraced death. (If not for all, at least for many)
IMHO this thinking is bass ackwards:
1) Anyone prone to "retributive attacks" has been swept up more and more, and will continue to be.
2) In one sense any findings of trial were concluded before US even planned to attack AF.
Now Saddam, I would have liked to have seen face ALL his charges before being executed.
The 2 are unrelated. And the plan(s) to do that have long been underway.
Obama still didn't "do this." He made a speech.
*Shrug* Think whatever you like. It happened yesterday--we're still sorting through the aftermath. I said right out that I (like almost everybody else in the world) know very little about it, and rattled off my stream of consciousness. Make whatever you like out of it.
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