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that is a strawman.
the issue is really original sin.
No, it is not a strawman. If Mary was born of some special, super human way, then there was no ability for Christ to be born of a woman, because that would have made Mary super-woman. And if Christ was not born of a woman, he was not human in his human nature, but super human. Without Christ's human nature he did not save man for only man could save man.
Making the strawman larger only makes it an easier target.
Shall we post this in OBOB and see what they say?
Is this a barrier to union? Perhaps, but a minor one, probably ranked below unleavened bread...
that is a strawman.
the issue is really original sin. The IC of the RCC actually brings them back to the Orthodox belief that Mary is the Theotokos, Ever-Virgin, without sin, spotless. Orthodox theology does not really explain HOW this happened, but certainly is was through grace, otherwise, Mary saved herself. The main difference I see here is the the RCC fills Mary with grace right from the beginning - this does not mean that her nature was different from our, otherwise, the same would apply to other grace filled saints; while Orthodox would see a perfected process of theosis, a growth through grace, so that at the time of the Annunciation, Mary was "full of grace" but we didn't necessarily pin point exactly when this happened. Another issue that must be considered are the theophanies of Christ in the OT and the encompassing of Mary's Ever-Virginity wrt those appearances.
Is this a barrier to union? Perhaps, but a minor one, probably ranked below unleavened bread...
I was a Roman Catholic seminarian prior to converting to Orthodoxy. I honestly do not have a single concern with what your average Catholic has to say about what their Church teaches.
As well you shouldn't. I have known too many Catholics who don't even know what the IC is talking about.
Well said Barky!
That is the whole problem with IC. It removes Mary from humanity, since she was conceived in a different way. It means that Christ's humanity, that he received from her is not the same as ours and as a consequence our humanity cannot be healed of the consequences of original sin (corruption and death). The consequences of the IC affect our very salvation.
Most think it deals with Christ, not the Theotokos.
Well said Barky!
That is the whole problem with IC. It removes Mary from humanity, since she was conceived in a different way. It means that Christ's humanity, that he received from her is not the same as ours and as a consequence our humanity cannot be healed of the consequences of original sin (corruption and death). The consequences of the IC affect our very salvation.
This is an incorrect representation of the IC.
This is an incorrect representation of the IC.
Tell that to my dogmatics professor. I don't think his Eminence would agree with you.
Who said we were born sinful?
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