1. Iollain:
The Bible says their eyes were open and they knew good and evil, it was not 'passed on', we were there in Adam, and we are Adam (human).
I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say. I *think* you're saying that we do have the fallen nature at birth, because we are "human" and "human"=fallen nature. Is this right? I'm not sure I understand you. But this would, in a way, make sense; God said if they took from the Tree, they wouldn't survive the day. Since a day is 1000 years with the Lord, and no one ever lived 1000 years, and since *we* don't live quite that long, then...yeah, it makes sense that it is not inherited but already there. I hope this is what you're saying, because if so, I agree with you.
2. BigNorsk:
It does not appear that original sin is transmitted through the mother but comes from the father alone.
Maybe, but it sounds more to me like the sin is traced through the fater, just as geneology would be. But (for example, in a land dispute, where no male is alive to inherit), a female may still be held responsible. Otherwise, wouldn't clones be sinless? Weird thought, but if we could create a human being singly from a mother's zygote and her own DNA, by your theory the child, never sired, would be free from sin. We could create our own Savior.
In a way though, I can see a glimmer of truth there, because it does say that Adam conceived a son in *his own* image.
Okay. Now, to slightly changes the topic...
Some people want to make having sex the transmission of orginal sin, based on the verse where we are told we are conceived in sin, but that doesn't agree with the marriage bed being undefiled.
It says that when they partook of the fruit, their eyes were opened. I know that some people believe Adam's sin was sexual. I have something to say here. I will try to keep this as clean as I can.
I have been a Christian for about 4 years now. Before that, I was heavily emerged in the occult. One of the things I experienced then is a tangent to this topic.
It has to do with sex and "their eyes were opened."
I hope you haven't completely written me off as a nut *just* yet.
The first time I was with a girl (before I was a Christian, still into magic, etc), I sensed something exactly like that. The *moment* I entered her, I felt as if an eye on my forehead were closing, and that there was a film over my *real* eyes that was dissolving. It felt as if acid were burning the covering away. It completely freaked me out. This wasn't anything from another spirit/entity; this was something *I* was sensing.
As a pagan I was afraid this would affect me psychicly (if that's a word), but it didn't seem to. But years later when the Lord brought me back, I read that verse in Genesis and it hit me that I knew exactly what it was talking about.
I think the verse about having their eyes opened refers to seeing things in another perspective, a flat, dead, physical perspective. That's what it seems like to me. We now know what Adam saw, because we see it too.
I have never taken drugs, I smoked cigaretts for a little while but stopped. I worship God and *not* pleasure or evil spirits. I do read passages to my kid sisters and even my cousin, and I bought all three of them Bibles. I'm planning on going to a Christian college this August. So please don't think I'm evil or on something or whatever. This is about something that happened a long time ago, but I'd be interested in getting some feedback, if possible. I don't know what else to say.
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