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<blockquote data-quote="Molal" data-source="post: 53875955" data-attributes="member: 177918"><p>I do appreciate your debate, you have some interesting ideas.</p><p></p><p>I absolutely agree, belief is a matter of faith. Indeed, Hebrews 11:1 sums it up perfectly:</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>This quote is vitally important to Christians since it defines the very nature of faith. Faith is hope and belief in something that we do not see. This fits in perfectly with your definition of observation.</p><p></p><p>But your definition of observation is finite in it's extent.</p><p></p><p>For instance, do humans have a brain? Using your definition of observation, one would suggest that humans do not because we have not seen them directly.</p><p></p><p>In medicine, doctors use x-rays to observe density differentials within the human body. Clearly, these are not direct observations, yet they enable doctors to make observations about the biological health of the subject (tooth cavities, cancers, etc.)</p><p></p><p>In the smaller realm, atoms have never been seen by any human, yet we are absolutely certain of their existence. The atomic force microscope allows scientists to image atoms directly. But, they have never been seen.</p><p></p><p>Electrons have never been seen; however, particle physicists at CERN use them (electrons) to collide with atoms to produce subatomic particles.</p><p></p><p>Hopefully, you are beginning to see that your definition of observation is limited in scope.</p><p></p><p>One can observe things through it's effects on other things. These are still observations, they still represent data.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Molal, post: 53875955, member: 177918"] I do appreciate your debate, you have some interesting ideas. I absolutely agree, belief is a matter of faith. Indeed, Hebrews 11:1 sums it up perfectly: This quote is vitally important to Christians since it defines the very nature of faith. Faith is hope and belief in something that we do not see. This fits in perfectly with your definition of observation. But your definition of observation is finite in it's extent. For instance, do humans have a brain? Using your definition of observation, one would suggest that humans do not because we have not seen them directly. In medicine, doctors use x-rays to observe density differentials within the human body. Clearly, these are not direct observations, yet they enable doctors to make observations about the biological health of the subject (tooth cavities, cancers, etc.) In the smaller realm, atoms have never been seen by any human, yet we are absolutely certain of their existence. The atomic force microscope allows scientists to image atoms directly. But, they have never been seen. Electrons have never been seen; however, particle physicists at CERN use them (electrons) to collide with atoms to produce subatomic particles. Hopefully, you are beginning to see that your definition of observation is limited in scope. One can observe things through it's effects on other things. These are still observations, they still represent data. [/QUOTE]
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