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<blockquote data-quote="Steezie" data-source="post: 53350782"><p>Where do you get the vitamin D, the fat (and yes you DO need some fat in your diet), the iron, the B12, or the calcium? These nutrients are available in the plant world but they are available in far greater quantities and proportions from animal sources that dont require you to micromanage your diet. </p><p> </p><p> It is not a given, it is an assumption and one that I dont see any support for.</p><p></p><p>If brain size is proportional to consciousness, where does the Blue Whale fall with one of the largest brains on Earth? </p><p></p><p> They have a basic response to being damaged that we could interpret as a pain response.</p><p></p><p> You are anthropomorphizing, ALL LIVING ORGANISMS of any size, shape, or complexity share the basic instinct to avoid a dangerous situation. Pain is our way of understanding that we are doing something that will harm us and to discourage us from doing it again. If your qualification for sentience is a simple aversion to a damaging stimulus then you are in big trouble because even the most basic cell will do that.</p><p></p><p>The purpose of pain, in the biological sense, is as a teaching tool and alarm system. It is not there to generate angst.</p><p></p><p> So basically you don't want the blood on your hands?</p><p></p><p>The fact that we have other options has been our key to survival in some very harsh times.</p><p></p><p> We have the same basic nutritional requirements now that we did when we first started walking upright. Our lifestyles have changed but that means we need to eat less high calorie and high fat foods or increase our levels of activity to correspond.</p><p></p><p>Supplements are not a solution, they are called SUPPLEMENTS, not replacements, for a reason. They are not designed or intended to replace dietary intake of the relevant nutrients.</p><p></p><p>And how on Earth do you have "animal-less cloned meat"?</p><p></p><p> Again, there is no reason to do a diet you have to watch closely when even moderately careful omnivorous eating will satisfy the nutritional needs of the average person. </p><p></p><p> The world is not as black and white as you seem to think it is. Mining of coal in the Appalachians has destroyed many miles of mountains and more to the point has poisoned the water source that many people use, leaving them without access to clean water. However if we STOP mining that coal, our electricity shuts off because we haven't yet phased out our coal fired plants.</p><p></p><p>Not everything is as simple as you seem to think it is.</p><p></p><p> Im sorry are you claiming the world itself will end if we dont stop eating meat?</p><p></p><p> This is assuming the land is re-usable for farming. In many places, land is only arable for a generation or two. Once the land's nutrients have been used up, you can no longer grow anything on the land and the farmers move on. This can be circumvented via the use of fertilizers (many of which are chemically based) and farming technology that is too expensive to use in third world countries where loss of land due to intensive farming is a serious problem.</p><p></p><p> Well I'd love to stop and buy the world a Coke too but cutesy sayings don't solve problems. The fact of the matter is that your proposal is entirely unworkable in the current geopolitical climate and could possibly lead to the deaths of millions of people and an increase in global strife as people fight for dwindling food resources.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You seem to have trouble appreciating the inter-connected nature of the problems we face. Many solutions sound very easy and very simple, however it is extremely rare that they are indeed that simple.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steezie, post: 53350782"] Where do you get the vitamin D, the fat (and yes you DO need some fat in your diet), the iron, the B12, or the calcium? These nutrients are available in the plant world but they are available in far greater quantities and proportions from animal sources that dont require you to micromanage your diet. It is not a given, it is an assumption and one that I dont see any support for. If brain size is proportional to consciousness, where does the Blue Whale fall with one of the largest brains on Earth? They have a basic response to being damaged that we could interpret as a pain response. You are anthropomorphizing, ALL LIVING ORGANISMS of any size, shape, or complexity share the basic instinct to avoid a dangerous situation. Pain is our way of understanding that we are doing something that will harm us and to discourage us from doing it again. If your qualification for sentience is a simple aversion to a damaging stimulus then you are in big trouble because even the most basic cell will do that. The purpose of pain, in the biological sense, is as a teaching tool and alarm system. It is not there to generate angst. So basically you don't want the blood on your hands? The fact that we have other options has been our key to survival in some very harsh times. We have the same basic nutritional requirements now that we did when we first started walking upright. Our lifestyles have changed but that means we need to eat less high calorie and high fat foods or increase our levels of activity to correspond. Supplements are not a solution, they are called SUPPLEMENTS, not replacements, for a reason. They are not designed or intended to replace dietary intake of the relevant nutrients. And how on Earth do you have "animal-less cloned meat"? Again, there is no reason to do a diet you have to watch closely when even moderately careful omnivorous eating will satisfy the nutritional needs of the average person. The world is not as black and white as you seem to think it is. Mining of coal in the Appalachians has destroyed many miles of mountains and more to the point has poisoned the water source that many people use, leaving them without access to clean water. However if we STOP mining that coal, our electricity shuts off because we haven't yet phased out our coal fired plants. Not everything is as simple as you seem to think it is. Im sorry are you claiming the world itself will end if we dont stop eating meat? This is assuming the land is re-usable for farming. In many places, land is only arable for a generation or two. Once the land's nutrients have been used up, you can no longer grow anything on the land and the farmers move on. This can be circumvented via the use of fertilizers (many of which are chemically based) and farming technology that is too expensive to use in third world countries where loss of land due to intensive farming is a serious problem. Well I'd love to stop and buy the world a Coke too but cutesy sayings don't solve problems. The fact of the matter is that your proposal is entirely unworkable in the current geopolitical climate and could possibly lead to the deaths of millions of people and an increase in global strife as people fight for dwindling food resources. You seem to have trouble appreciating the inter-connected nature of the problems we face. Many solutions sound very easy and very simple, however it is extremely rare that they are indeed that simple. [/QUOTE]
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