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Ask yourself a question. When is Jesus actually physically coming, before or after the Great Tribulation? After! Study the scriptures I've quoted here. They do not say that when Jesus comes seven years after a secret rapture He will return to the earth with both those who sleep in Jesus AND the living that were raptured. The rapture doesn't happen until the actual second coming, the last trumpet, when the spirits Jesus brings back will be reunited with their bodies that are changed. I don't know how you can read these verses any other way???

1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 5

1 Thessalonians 14:14 " 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
 
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at the last trumpet

This argument is so old and so wrong . Last trump is in last year of 1000 year Kingdom , moreover you do not recognise difference between Trump of God and Angels blowing Trumpets .
 
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moreover you do not recognise difference between Trump of God and Angels blowing Trumpets .

Another president in involved in doing what?
 
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We are to hope that we get a full reward. Reward time is not until the 7th trumpet sounds.
Luke 14:14 places the resurrection of the just at the time of reward.

The dead in Christ will rise before there is a rapture of those that have not gone to the grave, but are still keeping the faith in Him.

Yes, and it is not 7 years before the last trumpet sounds.
 
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This argument is so old and so wrong . Last trump is in last year of 1000 year Kingdom , moreover you do not recognise difference between Trump of God and Angels blowing Trumpets .

It still is not 7 years prior in silence.
 
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Read and answer the OP
John 14:3 King James Version (KJV)
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

1) Jesus goes to Heaven to prepare place for us
2) He goes back for us to take us when he is
3) He is in heaven
4) Therefore we will be meeting in heaven not in earth

If you assume that my logic is incorrect then show me Jesus building mansion for me here on earth :satisfied:
 
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John 14:3 King James Version (KJV)
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

1) Jesus goes to Heaven to prepare place for us
2) He goes back for us to take us when he is
3) He is in heaven
4) Therefore we will be meeting in heaven not in earth

If you assume that my logic is incorrect then show me Jesus building mansion for me here on earth :satisfied:

And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, Making a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south.

He's bringing the city here.

There will be a first resurrection where all those who have been martyred will reign with Christ for a 1000 years. Then after the 1000 years the rest of mankind, including both the saved and unsaved will be resurrected.
 
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And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, Making a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south.

He's bringing the city here.

There will be a first resurrection where all those who have been martyred will reign with Christ for a 1000 years. Then after the 1000 years the rest of mankind, including both the saved and unsaved will be resurrected.

But How can I rule in my mansion If I'm resurrected after the 1000 years but the mansion is in earth ?

You also forgot about that not everybody will die .
1 Corinthians 15:51-52 King James Version (KJV)
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
 
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But How can I rule in my mansion If I'm resurrected after the 1000 years but the mansion is in earth ?

You also forgot about that not everybody will die .
1 Corinthians 15:51-52 King James Version (KJV)
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

How can you rule? Die for Christ, not just naturally.

Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished.

The rest of the dead are not just the condemned, but are determined by if their name is written in the Book of Life or not.
 
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How can you rule? Die for Christ, not just naturally.

Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished.

The rest of the dead are not just the condemned, but are determined by if their name is written in the Book of Life or not.

There goes one of your first presuppositions that you don't rule which is not Scriptural .
1)
Revelation 1:6 King James Version (KJV)
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Kings over what ? Pirests over what ?


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Revelation 2:27 King James Version (KJV)
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Overcommers rule with rod of iron over what ?

3)
Why do we receive crowns multiple verses about them in NT if we are not ruling over anything and why parables of servants which were given multiple city to rule over have anything to do with Kingdom of God if we don't rule over these cities ?
 
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There goes one of your first presuppositions that you don't rule which is not Scriptural .
1)
Revelation 1:6 King James Version (KJV)
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Kings over what ? Pirests over what ?


2)
Revelation 2:27 King James Version (KJV)
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Overcommers rule with rod of iron over what ?

3)
Why do we receive crowns multiple verses about them in NT if we are not ruling over anything and why parables of servants which were given multiple city to rule over have anything to do with Kingdom of God if we don't rule over these cities ?

Have you any idea of the times in which Revelation was written? They were all being persecuted. But think what you want.
 
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