Only the clean shall Passover

[InSpiritInTruth]

The Lord uses certain key words, and catch phrases in scripture so that we might take notice of them, and search them out by faith through the mind of the Spirit. The use of the words clean and passover are a good example of this in the book of Joshua.

Joshua 3:17
And the priests that bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD stood firm on dry ground in the midst of Jordan, and all the Israelites passed over on dry ground, until all the people were passed clean over Jordan.

Joshua 4:1
And it came to pass, when all the people were clean passed over Jordan, that the LORD spake unto Joshua, saying,

Joshua 4:11
And it came to pass, when all the people were clean passed over, that the ark of the LORD passed over, and the priests, in the presence of the people.

This being clean at the passover point in time was also shown in the feast of unleavened bread.

Exodus 12:15;"Seven days shall you eat unleavened bread; even the first day you shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eats leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel."

This passover point is also a cut off point, that separates the clean from the unclean. And the meaning of the unleavened bread was shown to us by Jesus in Matthew 16:11;"How is it that you do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that you should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?"

This leaven was the false doctrine, and the false worship of God through hypocrisy, as many today are also defiled of this, in this present day and age. Those of Israel who were defiled with this leaven found in their house(vessel of the body) were cut off from among the people at the parting of the Way.

Just as Jesus parted the Way on the cross that faithful day.

Just as those souls who had not the blood of the Lamb upon the DOOR posts in the land of Egypt, in the days of Moses; who were also cut off from among the living. Even those who were of the first-born (fleshy minded man) were given over to the spirit of death, even the DESTROYER, when he came in unto their houses.

This being clean to passover was not only for the congregation of Israel, or only for those born in the land, but also for those who were once strangers to God in the land. (Exodus 12:19)

This parting of the way has happened before to those of Israel, but it shall happen again, except this time to the Nations. Just as it is written; first to the Jew, then to the Nations.

Jesus said to those hypocrites in his day;"Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup, and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also."

You must first make clean the inside of your vessel by way of Gods Spirit, so that the Lord might also adorn you with a beautiful outer garment.

Only those who are adorned with a wedding garment white and clean shall be allowed at the wedding supper of the Lamb.

Peace be with you.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Amen SpiritInTruth That was beautifully shown bro, I snipped this from an older post on GT I was catching it somewhat similiarly, though you much more completely.

Exodus 12:15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.

Mat 16:11 How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?


Mat 16:12Then understood they how that he bade them not beware ofthe leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Says put away "leaven" out of your "houses"

1Cr 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

Exdodus 34:25 Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning. (sacrifice "left" mentioned here)

1Cr 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.


Whereas here...

Luke 12:1 Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.

And purging out the leaven from ourselves....

1Peter 2:1 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,


Confirmation, if just a little, God bless you bro

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Thanks for the confirmation Fire, and very well put together I might add. I pray that many will take heed to this message, and get their spiritual houses in order.

Peace be with you sister!

 

[granpa]

Numbers 9 (NIV)


The Passover

1 The LORD spoke to Moses in the Desert of Sinai in the first month of the second year after they came out of Egypt. He said, 2 “Have the Israelites celebrate the Passover at the appointed time. 3 Celebrate it at the appointed time, at twilight on the fourteenth day of this month, in accordance with all its rules and regulations.”


9 Then the LORD said to Moses, 10 “Tell the Israelites: ‘When any of you or your descendants are unclean because of a dead body or are away on a journey, they are still to celebrate the LORD’s Passover, 11 but they are to do it on the fourteenth day of the second month at twilight.

 

[Sieben]

Being clean has complete reliance on the Lords atonement he gave (1 John 5:6-9). Faith is also what pardons our sin (Acts 10:43). Faith in that the Lord has forgiven us through his sacrifice! This gets rid of the notion that we must pray to get rid of our sin, like peoples prayers of repentance. Because forgiveness simply relies on faith. Repentance is not a prayer, it is a action. To feel remorse for ones sin to be disposed to change for the better.

When you say only the clean pass over I agree. Going further with that you will find people easily confess they are sinners (not born again saints) who possess sin still. They do not believe the Lord has atoned for their sin, even though they try to get some sins forgiven through prayer (This shows their unbelief in his atonement). I don't believe people know how bad off they are. Or even consider what a sacrifice is. They just follow tradition and it makes for crazy doctrines.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Thanks for the confirmation Fire, and very well put together I might add. I pray that many will take heed to this message, and get their spiritual houses in order.

Peace be with you sister!

I need to take heed more myself

Looking for things that confirm the same, the leaven in our houses, the putting off the old man, the cleansing of ourselves of all filthiness (which is inclusive of filthy communcation)

2Cr 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

1Thes 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.


Col 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

Definately a patern there, how we learned Christ, is the putting away

Ephes 4:19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

Ephes 4:20 But ye have not so learned Christ;

Ephes 4:21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

Ephes 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

Too much to copy paste, but definately, put off one and put on the other, purge out etc.

Very good topic

Peace be with you too bro, God bless you

 

[Fireinfolding]

Ok here might be a comparison SpiritinTruth, before the Lords supper, He washed their feet, and said, ye are clean (yet not all of you) meaning Judas (who had part with them in the ministry)

who were also cut off from among the living. Even those who were of the first-born (fleshy minded man) were given over to the spirit of death, even the DESTROYER, when he came in unto their houses.

Luke 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

Trying to see if this can be compared at all.

Acts 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

Just looking at this really, and how that might play in, if at all

God bless you

 

[Fireinfolding]

You know, another thing SpiritInTruth as you pointed out, there was a leaven of the Pharisees, (hypocricy) but the Pharisees did confess the ressurection. The Sadducees on the otherhand (or the leaven thereof) say there is no ressurection.

Paul seems to (without saying that) adress that leaven (or the doctrine of some that say 'there is no ressurection") among them.

1Cr 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

Their leaven (their doctrine)

Acts 23:8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection

Mat 16:12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

What was the doctrine of the Pharisees, because they seemed to confess just about everything the Sadducees didnt, but they are in alot of rebukes for many things (too numerous to sum up really) but you hear of alot of Pharsiees converting but I cannot reccolect one Sadducees conversion, can you? Unless I am missing it?

I actually recall (in a conversation way back) someone said, "we dont have to worry about Sadducees or their doctrine anymore because they dead (lol) Maybe not by the name of, or in the persons of but in "the leaven of" (or teaching of) the same (in some like fashion) can sure live on. Same was said in relation to the Pharisees (for the most part) hypocricy, that doesnt fall of the face of the earth simply because there might not be those called Pharisees anymore.

(I forget how the conversation went) but it was sorta cute (only because it was so innocently brought up). Like "dont you worry" because those boogie men are not real anymore) sorta thing (well, if you know what I mean).

Nor (likewise) the devouring of widows houses and all that (attributed to the same) could be to us (in the same various ways) just as it applied to them.

Peace, been thinking about these things again as you brought them up

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

You know, another thing SpiritInTruth as you pointed out, there was a leaven of the Pharisees, (hypocricy) but the Pharisees did confess the ressurection. The Sadducees on the otherhand (or the leaven thereof) say there is no ressurection.

Paul seems to (without saying that) adress that leaven (or the doctrine of some that say 'there is no ressurection") among them.

1Cr 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

Their leaven (their doctrine)

Acts 23:8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection

Mat 16:12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

What was the doctrine of the Pharisees, because they seemed to confess just about everything the Sadducees didnt, but they are in alot of rebukes for many things (too numerous to sum up really) but you hear of alot of Pharsiees converting but I cannot reccolect one Sadducees conversion, can you? Unless I am missing it?

I actually recall (in a conversation way back) someone said, "we dont have to worry about Sadducees or their doctrine anymore because they dead (lol) Maybe not by the name of, or in the persons of but in "the leaven of" (or teaching of) the same (in some like fashion) can sure live on. Same was said in relation to the Pharisees (for the most part) hypocricy, that doesnt fall of the face of the earth simply because there might not be those called Pharisees anymore.

(I forget how the conversation went) but it was sorta cute (only because it was so innocently brought up). Like "dont you worry" because those boogie men are not real anymore) sorta thing (well, if you know what I mean).

Nor (likewise) the devouring of widows houses and all that (attributed to the same) could be to us (in the same various ways) just as it applied to them.

Peace, been thinking about these things again as you brought them up

Those false teachers during Jesus' ministry were sanctified by men, and not by God. Just as they spake as fleshy minded men having not the Word, or Spirit of God dwelling in them.

That is why Jesus asked them of the baptism of John,(whom they did not believe), if it were of men, or of God.

Big difference!

And just like those fleshy minded teachers back then, who were made blind in their understanding of the scriptures, so it is also today with many preachers and teachers in the man-made church.

Jesus said to those men of his day..

Matthew 5:20
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 23:13
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Instead of seeking God by faith, men trusted in their own understanding, and the understanding of the man-made priesthood.

Today it is no different than it was back then.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Those false teachers during Jesus' ministry were sanctified by men, and not by God. Just as they spake as fleshy minded men having not the Word, or Spirit of God dwelling in them.

That is why Jesus asked them of the baptism of John,(whom they did not believe), if it were of men, or of God.

Big difference!

And just like those fleshy minded teachers back then, who were made blind in their understanding of the scriptures, so it is also today with many preachers and teachers in the man-made church.

Jesus said to those men of his day..

Matthew 5:20
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 23:13
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Instead of seeking God by faith, men trusted in their own understanding, and the understanding of the man-made priesthood.

Today it is no different than it was back then.

You can only understand what God has given you to understand, your stuck anyway, Man has a mans understanding right? But the natural man understands not things of the Spirit, but if (just say) you have all spiritual understanding, what good is it to men (you are trying to reach) who have not the Spirit yet? And theres not one of us that doesnt start out carnally minded with a mans understanding because we are renewed in the spirit of our mind. Tax collectors and prostitutes entering into the Kingdom before them (can they be considered of spiritual understanding)? or just plain less hypocritical and alot less pretentious?

Because although I realize there is a mans understanding and spiritual understanding, how can we condemn a mans understanding if thats ALL men have. You can sure reccognize it, you can (as Paul did) not speak unto them as spiritual or speak as a man to them (as he did). But I cant see condemning a man for the only understanding he has if the spiritual man only exalts the fact that he understands everything spiritually as if thats something of himself and not of God. But simply used only to condemn any man with natural understanding. Because (as I see it) we all start there. And if (at anytime) we are able to understand something spiritual, thats Gods doing (not of ourselves). So how might someone who is given so much able to help those who still understand things naturally (with great patience, and kindness) knowing anothers state (spiritually speaking) and how to speak to them in order to elevate them to the other. Because we go from one to another as His disciples did (in their understanding) which He opened. And they didnt understand everything at once.

Paul was spiritual but his way with those who were not, was to help them where they were. Though I have had so many encounters with other christians who say they are spiritual and are not, (I make no claims as you know) but I had an encounter recently (and why these kinds I have been bumping into more and more) I dont know. But anyway, I couldnt understand what she was saying (broken sentences, bad wording maybe) and told her I wasnt too swift (I always tell folks that, because I am not) and asked if she could give me a few scriptures on something she was failing to get across in her own words. Well, when I asked, the response was something like, "No because you get everything out of a book, but I (on the otherhand) have dreams of visions, and I will not lower myself to your level etc"...Well (put me in my place) what credentials you bear witness of yourself Gees, I have a dream or two after I eat too much pizza before I go to bed (and just because I could say they are of the Spirit and not from eating too much pizza doesnt make it by my own word "no more pizza".

Well, anyway I couldnt believe what I was hearing. Making claims (and ruining it for yourself by yourself) or not making any such claims. And I am so glad (no matter how I am perceived) I will never bear witness of myself. Just because some do doesnt make them anymore valid because we say so.

So I will never say anything other then I am a learner in Christ (either equal or lower then whoever believes themselves better, or higher, or more spiritual then me) because I imperfect in my ways and in my words and in my understanding and I am so not interested in being seen "as something" if thats how it manifests itself. Some folks seat themselves way too high for their own good (only to come crashing down) by their own doing. Theres (at least) a shorter falling distance (when one make no claims at all).

But the response was like, I am better then you (because I have dreams and visions) but basically it appears she had really lost connection to the head (in reality). Because (now) she neednt not lower herself in relation to me (a mere babe) or the words of scripture. Because I am all that and then some (says her)

Know what I mean? (dont answer, I know I can drive you crazy because I just lay it all out there, and in doing so I again show my unspiritualness) but I am taking note (as of late) as to why I am meeting these types and what it is (experietially) I can learn and take from these encounters and how better to deal with them. Because they get my goat (pun intended).

Now, you dont do that, you have respect for the scriptures, but for more and more it seems the whole idea of being seen (before others) as spiritual (and the way they try to validate their so called spiritualness) seems like nothing more but carnality on steriods. The idea that because I have dreams and visions SO I AM...Nevermind that I am rude and arrogant and that I believe you are a gnat to me

Which if I be considered, fine by me, I will not adopt that approach or count it more then it is, but neither will I join in with being pretentious I am anything more then what I have attained and start trying to compete with that in like manner.

At least you know that about me, I can at least say, I am still a babe, or that I am not perfect. Not to mention laugh too much. But being pretentious about being something I am not is something I hate, both in myself and when I see the same in others. How to deal with it, I dont know yet, but its something that gets me everytime.

I sure gotta deal much better there bro

God bless you

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

You can only understand what God has given you to understand, your stuck anyway, Man has a mans understanding right? But the natural man understands not things of the Spirit, but if (just say) you have all spiritual understanding, what good is it to men (you are trying to reach) who have not the Spirit yet? And theres not one of us that doesnt start out carnally minded with a mans understanding because we are renewed in the spirit of our mind. Tax collectors and prostitutes entering into the Kingdom before them (can they be considered of spiritual understanding)? or just plain less hypocritical and alot less pretentious?

Because although I realize there is a mans understanding and spiritual understanding, how can we condemn a mans understanding if thats ALL men have. You can sure reccognize it, you can (as Paul did) not speak unto them as spiritual or speak as a man to them (as he did). But I cant see condemning a man for the only understanding he has if the spiritual man only exalts the fact that he understands everything spiritually as if thats something of himself and not of God. But simply used only to condemn any man with natural understanding. Because (as I see it) we all start there. And if (at anytime) we are able to understand something spiritual, thats Gods doing (not of ourselves). So how might someone who is given so much able to help those who still understand things naturally (with great patience, and kindness) knowing anothers state (spiritually speaking) and how to speak to them in order to elevate them to the other. Because we go from one to another as His disciples did (in their understanding) which He opened. And they didnt understand everything at once.

Paul was spiritual but his way with those who were not, was to help them where they were. Though I have had so many encounters with other christians who say they are spiritual and are not, (I make no claims as you know) but I had an encounter recently (and why these kinds I have been bumping into more and more) I dont know. But anyway, I couldnt understand what she was saying (broken sentences, bad wording maybe) and told her I wasnt too swift (I always tell folks that, because I am not) and asked if she could give me a few scriptures on something she was failing to get across in her own words. Well, when I asked, the response was something like, "No because you get everything out of a book, but I (on the otherhand) have dreams of visions, and I will not lower myself to your level etc"...Well (put me in my place) what credentials you bear witness of yourself Gees, I have a dream or two after I eat too much pizza before I go to bed (and just because I could say they are of the Spirit and not from eating too much pizza doesnt make it by my own word "no more pizza".

Well, anyway I couldnt believe what I was hearing. Making claims (and ruining it for yourself by yourself) or not making any such claims. And I am so glad (no matter how I am perceived) I will never bear witness of myself. Just because some do doesnt make them anymore valid because we say so.

So I will never say anything other then I am a learner in Christ (either equal or lower then whoever believes themselves better, or higher, or more spiritual then me) because I imperfect in my ways and in my words and in my understanding and I am so not interested in being seen "as something" if thats how it manifests itself. Some folks seat themselves way too high for their own good (only to come crashing down) by their own doing. Theres (at least) a shorter falling distance (when one make no claims at all).

But the response was like, I am better then you (because I have dreams and visions) but basically it appears she had really lost connection to the head (in reality). Because (now) she neednt not lower herself in relation to me (a mere babe) or the words of scripture. Because I am all that and then some (says her)

Know what I mean? (dont answer, I know I can drive you crazy because I just lay it all out there, and in doing so I again show my unspiritualness) but I am taking note (as of late) as to why I am meeting these types and what it is (experietially) I can learn and take from these encounters and how better to deal with them. Because they get my goat (pun intended).

Now, you dont do that, you have respect for the scriptures, but for more and more it seems the whole idea of being seen (before others) as spiritual (and the way they try to validate their so called spiritualness) seems like nothing more but carnality on steriods. The idea that because I have dreams and visions SO I AM...Nevermind that I am rude and arrogant and that I believe you are a gnat to me

Which if I be considered, fine by me, I will not adopt that approach or count it more then it is, but neither will I join in with being pretentious I am anything more then what I have attained and start trying to compete with that in like manner.

At least you know that about me, I can at least say, I am still a babe, or that I am not perfect. Not to mention laugh too much. But being pretentious about being something I am not is something I hate, both in myself and when I see the same in others. How to deal with it, I dont know yet, but its something that gets me everytime.

I sure gotta deal much better there bro

God bless you

We shall know the trees by the fruit that they bear, just as those who claim to be born of Gods Spirit and are not.

There is truly alot of fools gold out there, and little geniune, but by Gods Word and Spirit we can prove the spirits and see what manner of metal they are made of. Just as every mans work shall be tried by fire, to see what manner of work it is.

As far as dreams and visions go, I have had several, but have spoken of few. I don't have much confidence in dreams(unconscious state of mind), but visions on the other hand( a conscious state of mind) should be taken notice of.

Even though the Lord does speak to some in dreams, many dreams come from ones own overactive imagination, and can be reflections of ones own personal experiences in the past, and also in the present. We are also tempted in our dreams by that old fleshy minded man.

But a vision on the other hand cannot be manufactured by a person just taking thought in a wide awake state of mind. Just as I once had a vision many years ago with my eyes wide open, but that only happened the one time. All the other visions came when my eyes were closed, but yet I was wide awake, in a state of meditation.

But if that vision is not to edify, or to strengthen others in some way, then why bother speaking it? Just as some of the visions I understand the meaning of, but for unbelievers it is just foolishness.

I used to tell others of these visions, both to believers and unbelievers, but I got tired of the funny looks.

But none the less, if I feel a vision or a revelation is something the Lord would have me proclaim to others, then I will, no matter how crazy they think I am.

 

[Fireinfolding]

We shall know the trees by the fruit that they bear, just as those who claim to be born of Gods Spirit and are not.

There is truly alot of fools gold out there, and little geniune, but by Gods Word and Spirit we can prove the spirits and see what manner of metal they are made of. Just as every mans work shall be tried by fire, to see what manner of work it is.

As far as dreams and visions go, I have had several, but have spoken of few. I don't have much confidence in dreams(unconscious state of mind), but visions on the other hand( a conscious state of mind) should be taken notice of.

Even though the Lord does speak to some in dreams, many dreams come from ones own overactive imagination, and can be reflections of ones own personal experiences in the past, and also in the present. We are also tempted in our dreams by that old fleshy minded man.

But a vision on the other hand cannot be manufactured by a person just taking thought in a wide awake state of mind. Just as I once had a vision many years ago with my eyes wide open, but that only happened the one time. All the other visions came when my eyes were closed, but yet I was wide awake, in a state of meditation.

But if that vision is not to edify, or to strengthen others in some way, then why bother speaking it? Just as some of the visions I understand the meaning of, but for unbelievers it is just foolishness.

I used to tell others of these visions, both to believers and unbelievers, but I got tired of the funny looks.

But none the less, if I feel a vision or a revelation is something the Lord would have me proclaim to others, then I will, no matter how crazy they think I am.

Yes, I do understand how they are defined bro. Its "how" these can be weilded around as a badge of "proof" one attests to (as in bearing witness) to oneself and to others (stating of oneself) "I am spiritual" (because..."I have these"). Or rather (lets say) almost as if presenting themselves to others (as valid, of themselves) by an un-testable (but most assuredly, because I say so) proof positive (to others) of whom (obviously) they feel are much lesser then themselves (which is the only thing that cant get any clearer). In some cases, like the one I encountered... "no, I will not lower myself to give a scripture (which doesnt back a thing I say) because the scriptures are beneathe me" as well as you are (sorta thing). Affection? (non existent) love (not an ounce) gentleness? (no there) humility (no where to be found) apt to teach? who they feel are the weaker? (not at all) but they expect them to sit at their feet and listen to them all day long (and dont bother them with the Lords words) They are above them. That attitude.

Your right, know a tree by its fruit, all the professions of what one is by whatever things one might think they have, can only really be discerned by fruit, and most definately love for one another.

I guess in cases like this, I probrobly wouldnt seek to validate the gifts of them (who hesitate not to cast our Lord and His words under the bus (to their own) but others also (who insist on His) and because they do, the person begins to treat them with the same contempt. But "that" (in its very example) is "called spiritual" (or as they would define themselves "in that").

But if I have to be that kind of spiritual (as in this case) to "understand" how "that" display was of the Spirit I could never bring myself to ever want that kind of spirituality. Thats for sure.


God bless you brother

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Yes, I do understand how they are defined bro. Its "how" these can be weilded around as a badge of "proof" one attests to (as in bearing witness) to oneself and to others (stating of oneself) "I am spiritual" (because..."I have these"). Or rather (lets say) almost as if presenting themselves to others (as valid, of themselves) by an un-testable (but most assuredly, because I say so) proof positive (to others) of whom (obviously) they feel are much lesser then themselves (which is the only thing that cant get any clearer). In some cases, like the one I encountered... "no, I will not lower myself to give a scripture (which doesnt back a thing I say) because the scriptures are beneathe me" as well as you are (sorta thing). Affection? (non existent) love (not an ounce) gentleness? (no there) humility (no where to be found) apt to teach? who they feel are the weaker? (not at all) but they expect them to sit at their feet and listen to them all day long (and dont bother them with the Lords words) They are above them. That attitude.

Your right, know a tree by its fruit, all the professions of what one is by whatever things one might think they have, can only really be discerned by fruit, and most definately love for one another.

I guess in cases like this, I probrobly wouldnt seek to validate the gifts of them (who hesitate not to cast our Lord and His words under the bus (to their own) but others also (who insist on His) and because they do, the person begins to treat them with the same contempt. But "that" (in its very example) is "called spiritual" (or as they would define themselves "in that").

But if I have to be that kind of spiritual (as in this case) to "understand" how "that" display was of the Spirit I could never bring myself to ever want that kind of spirituality. Thats for sure.


God bless you brother

You, by your own confession have determined by the Word of God, and by the fruit this person bears that something is amiss, to say the least.

Just as in the man-made church there are those who teach others from the gospel but they themselves live in sin, and do unholy things. It would be safe to say that a child molester, or an adulterer is not walking in the Spirit of Truth, no matter what they may confess with their mouths.

Those who are born of God do not live in sin, and those who are of God shall hear the Words of the Lord.

After Jesus ascended he returned in a different form, so that his disciples did not recognize him by sight. But when he spoke his Words to them, it sparked a fire in their hearts, and they knew by the hearing of his Words that it was Jesus.

It is the same with those who are born of the Spirit, they shall hear the Masters voice, no matter what vessel it is delivered in.

Peace

 

[Fireinfolding]

You, by your own confession have determined by the Word of God, and by the fruit this person bears that something is amiss, to say the least.

Just as in the man-made church there are those who teach others from the gospel but they themselves live in sin, and do unholy things. It would be safe to say that a child molester, or an adulterer is not walking in the Spirit of Truth, no matter what they may confess with their mouths.

Those who are born of God do not live in sin, and those who are of God shall hear the Words of the Lord.

After Jesus ascended he returned in a different form, so that his disciples did not recognize him by sight. But when he spoke his Words to them, it sparked a fire in their hearts, and they knew by the hearing of his Words that it was Jesus.

It is the same with those who are born of the Spirit, they shall hear the Masters voice, no matter what vessel it is delivered in.

Peace

I agree with this even as John says,

1John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Likewise the same here...

John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

1John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

"My saying and your saying"

John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

Speaking the same thing...

1Cr 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.


Pretty consistent

God bless you brother

 

[Merlinius]

Literally the "pass over" being fulfilled here;

(Rom 3:24) being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
(Rom 3:25) whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, by his blood, to shew his righteousness, because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God;

 

[Fireinfolding]

Literally the "pass over" being fulfilled here;

(Rom 3:24) being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
(Rom 3:25) whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, by his blood, to shew his righteousness, because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God;

Absolutely Merlin

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Romans 1:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Ti 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

You brought up something I was thinking about this morning too bro, recall Peter (was it?) who was speaking of adding to your faith, knowledge, virtue, brotherly kindness etc (that these should abound but he said something like, he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

So in that instance it seems to show those things were not abounding in him simply because he has forgotten he was purged from his old sins.

Dont want to fail the grace of God

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Powerful stuff

God bless you brother!

 

[Merlinius]

Absolutely Merlin

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Romans 1:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Ti 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

You brought up something I was thinking about this morning too bro, recall Peter (was it?) who was speaking of adding to your faith, knowledge, virtue, brotherly kindness etc (that these should abound but he said something like, he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

So in that instance it seems to show those things were not abounding in him simply because he has forgotten he was purged from his old sins.

Dont want to fail the grace of God

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Powerful stuff

God bless you brother!

God Bless you too dear sister!
Amen, and Praise Jesus, I so rejoice in being forgiven and made sinless! 'Cause going back under that old law of sin and death would be dog yak

 

[Fireinfolding]

God Bless you too dear sister!
Amen, and Praise Jesus, I so rejoice in being forgiven and made sinless! 'Cause going back under that old law of sin and death would be dog yak

Praise the Lord for His grace! Amen brother

Because while we were yet sinners Christ died... And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


1Peter 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

1Peter 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

Its His effectual grace that teaches us to deny worldly and ungodly lusts and to live righteously and soberly in this present world.

Wow! I so love this!

Ephes 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Luke 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

James 3:32 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

1John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Talk about having something to be completly excited about!

Not yet for me (but hopefully soon)

But this one is even kooler (per way above) about Peter who speaks of suffering in his flesh has ceased from sin, made me think of this here

1Peter 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

I nearly fainted when I read that! (in a good way!)

While we were YET without strength...

Psalm 18:32 It is God that girdeth me with strength, and maketh my way perfect.


2Sam 22:33 God is my strength and power: and he maketh my way perfect.

He so rocks!!

God bless you brother!

 

[John 07]

The Lord uses certain key words, and catch phrases in scripture so that we might take notice of them, and search them out by faith through the mind of the Spirit. The use of the words clean and passover are a good example of this in the book of Joshua.

Joshua 3:17
And the priests that bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD stood firm on dry ground in the midst of Jordan, and all the Israelites passed over on dry ground, until all the people were passed clean over Jordan.

Joshua 4:1
And it came to pass, when all the people were clean passed over Jordan, that the LORD spake unto Joshua, saying,

Joshua 4:11
And it came to pass, when all the people were clean passed over, that the ark of the LORD passed over, and the priests, in the presence of the people.
This being clean at the passover point in time was also shown in the feast of unleavened bread.

hi,

only thing is the 'clean' in these verses (from KJV) doesn't have
to do with cleanliness. The Hebrew תַּמּ
means complete, as adverb completely, sort of like 'finish'
so as most versions have the verses above as they 'finished
passing over'. Usually the Hebrew for clean as in cleanliness/purity
is טָהֹור

 

[Fireinfolding]

hi,

only thing is the 'clean' in these verses (from KJV) doesn't have
to do with cleanliness. The Hebrew תַּמּ
means complete, as adverb completely, sort of like 'finish'
so as most versions have the verses above as they 'finished
passing over'. Usually the Hebrew for clean as in cleanliness/purity
is טָהֹור

Theres a few in this one, these are what I have found under the same word

1) to be complete, be finished, be at an end
a) (Qal)
1) to be finished, be completed
a) completely, wholly, entirely (as auxiliary with verb)
2) to be finished, come to an end, cease
3) to be complete (of number)
4) to be consumed, be exhausted, be spent
5) to be finished, be consumed, be destroyed
6) to be complete, be sound, be unimpaired, be upright (ethically)
7) to complete, finish
8) to be completely crossed over
b) (Niphal) to be consumed
c) (Hiphil)
1) to finish, complete, perfect
2) to finish, cease doing, leave off doing
3) to complete, sum up, make whole
4) to destroy (uncleanness)
5) to make sound
d) (Hithpael) to deal in integrity, act uprightly

Figured I'd post them for any lurker

God bless you