"Oneness Pentecostals"

[isshinwhat]

Could someone please give me a description of the beliefs of this Pentecostal branch and how they differ from mainline, Trinitarian Pentecostals.

Thank you, and God bless,

Neal

 

[accurate]

Could someone please give me a description of the beliefs of this Pentecostal branch and how they differ from mainline, Trinitarian Pentecostals.

Thank you, and God bless,

Neal

They believe in 3 steps to salvation,

(step 1)
repent (Does not bring forgiveness initally)

(step 2)
initial forgiveness via water baptism (forgiven but still hell bound)

(step 3)
speak like a barbarian (sign to the believer of salvation)

 

[isshinwhat]

They are not Trinitarian, is this correct? If so, what are the differences?

 

[JesusServant]

They believe that God is One, just as taught throughout the new and old testaments. They believe that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are the same God in three manifestations which makes a lot more logical sense to me. But it's also pretty much what most Trinitarians really believe when they think it through scripturally.

Personally, I believe in Oneness and the Trinity at the same time and don't feel it is possible to understand the fullness of God because we don't have anything in our world to compare Him to.

 

[Jim B]

Could someone please give me a description of the beliefs of this Pentecostal branch and how they differ from mainline, Trinitarian Pentecostals.

Thank you, and God bless,

Neal

http://www.carm.org/oneness.htm​

 

[JesusServant]

http://www.upci.org/doctrine/apostles.asp

There, happy Mr. Jim B?

 

[isshinwhat]

...but God the Father was a Spirit and had no blood to shed. Thus He prepared a body of flesh and blood (Hebrews 10:5)and came to earth as a man in order to save us...

Does that mean they believe that the Father took on flesh and came here as the Son?

As previously explained, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are not names of separate persons, but titles of positions held by God.

This I am definately not comfortable with... What exactly do they mean here?

God Bless,

Neal

P.S. Good to see you again, JS.

 

[Jim B]

Ooops.

see below.

 

[Jim B]

http://www.upci.org/doctrine/apostles.asp

There, happy Mr. Jim B?

Very happy JS.

Thanks for asking. How 'bout choo?

Jim
\o/

 

[Song]

They believe in 3 steps to salvation,

(step 1)
repent (Does not bring forgiveness initally)

(step 2)
initial forgiveness via water baptism (forgiven but still hell bound)

(step 3)
speak like a barbarian (sign to the believer of salvation)

you are soooo wrong know your facts before you post!

 

[accurate]

you are soooo wrong know your facts before you post!

might would help if you would clarify on what exactly.

 

[Dust and Ashes]

They believe that God is One, just as taught throughout the new and old testaments. They believe that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are the same God in three manifestations which makes a lot more logical sense to me. But it's also pretty much what most Trinitarians really believe when they think it through scripturally.

This is exactly what I believe and I consider myself a Trinitarian. I personally don't understand what the big argument is other than maybe a definition of terms. I have, however spoken with Oneness people who expressed the believe (opposed to official church teaching and out of ignorance I'm sure) that God basically "vacated" Heaven during the Incarnation and was fully contained within the body of Jesus and that Jesus WAS the Father before the incarnation and that Jesus is actually sitting on the throne in Heaven and NOT at the right hand of God. I guess they don't understand what omnipresence means.

Personally, I believe in Oneness and the Trinity at the same time and don't feel it is possible to understand the fullness of God because we don't have anything in our world to compare Him to.

I suppose I'd have to define myself this way also and you are absolutely right in that our feeble minds can't begin to be wrapped around the "Bigness" of God.

 

[JesusServant]

This is exactly what I believe and I consider myself a Trinitarian. I personally don't understand what the big argument is other than maybe a definition of terms. I have, however spoken with Oneness people who expressed the believe (opposed to official church teaching and out of ignorance I'm sure) that God basically "vacated" Heaven during the Incarnation and was fully contained within the body of Jesus and that Jesus WAS the Father before the incarnation and that Jesus is actually sitting on the throne in Heaven and NOT at the right hand of God. I guess they don't understand what omnipresence means.

I suppose I'd have to define myself this way also and you are absolutely right in that our feeble minds can't begin to be wrapped around the "Bigness" of God.

Well praise God. My wife and me aren't the only Pentecostals that have this understanding. We should chat sometime.

It drives me crazy when they say that God 'clothed' Himself in flesh, it's just not that simple. They forget the man Jesus who received a glorified body and ascended into Heaven. God would have no need to receive a body to return to whence He came. They forget that He said Thy will be done, not MY will (two different wills, two different persons). Then I read John 1:1-14 and get frustrated again. I just chalk it all up to faith which is what Hebrews instructs us it all comes down to. Later Paul then explains that being saved because of grace through faith isn't a dangerous thing. It doesn't mean that people will go sin-crazy. It means they will be completely miserable sinning and completely content living by God's law written in their hearts.

Man I'm throwing a lot in this thread. hehe

 

[JesusServant]

Oh, and

HI NEAL!

 

[Bulldog]

What exactly do they mean here?

Think of it as an actor playing three different roles.

They believe that the Holy Spirit, The Father, and the Son are the same person.

In Oneness theology, Jesus is the Father manifested in Flesh.

 

[AlabamaMan]

Also just a side note: actual oneness pentecostals will probably not be answering seeing they are not allowed to post in CO areas or have a christian icon according to the rules of CF.

 

[JesusServant]

Also just a side note: actual oneness pentecostals will probably not be answering seeing they are not allowed to post in CO areas or have a christian icon according to the rules of CF.

Which is absolutely rediculous. At least they haven't completely abandoned the simple teaching of One God that is taught throughout scripture.

Another odd thing is that Pentecostals are grouped with Charismatics. The UPC battled against the 'Charismatic Movement'. :/

 

[Jim B]

Also just a side note: actual oneness pentecostals will probably not be answering seeing they are not allowed to post in CO areas or have a christian icon according to the rules of CF.

Hey A-Man. Howzitgoin?

For the record, I am not opposed to Oneness Pentecostals posting in this forum. While I do not agree with their unitarian view of God, I have found them for the most part to be loving Christian people – maybe tending toward weirdness a bit and feeling somewhat exclusive because they speak in tongues, the preacher recited the correct formula when they were dunked, and feeling a tad smug about their unitarianism – but sweet all the same.

I strongly object to the (exclusive) rule that you have to be Trinitarian to post here. Frankly, the rule stinks (as does most legalisms). That is elitism in itself and presupposes that we insignificant insects have a handle on defining the Almighty. While I believe in the Trinity, personally, I also believe that it is merely the way God has chosen to reveal Himself to us. It is a belief drawn from what the scriptures INFER – like tongues being the only physical evidence of the baptism of the Spirit – not what they directly teach. To think that we finite creatures have a complete view of the Infinite God is presumptuous, at the least, especially when there is no definitive scripture that teaches the Trinity.

I believe God is a Trinity, but I also believe that that is not all there is to Him.

So I say, let the Oneness post in this forum. The hand cannot say to the foot, I have no need of you.

Respectfully,
Jim

 

[accurate]

There is a growing number of people in the UPC that no longer believe that only they will be saved. But the percent is so small, it's unrealistic to expect to come across one. It was a UPC minister that taught me the paramount of the New Testament message, which is that Jesus saves, was crucified, and has promised redemption from the grave to those who trust in him. Until then, I had never heard the gospel preached so simple. He honored the baptist, the charismatics, and introduced me to various radio preachers that believed in interpretations such as the trinity. Once I once regarded historical missionaries as a lost cause, but now honored them as God's people who have helped make the very fingerprint of what Christianity is today.

I do not have a relationship presently with the UPC, as I know the belief differences are quiet extreme. Please note concerning my view about this forum, I do not think Godhead interpretations really effect the fellowship on this forum. However, conflicting interpretations on salvation would, as I see it, have a more detrimental effect on fellowship.

 

[crystalpc]

I just requested information from one of the Jesus only church's that I am hoping to gain for another matter.
Although I have known "Jesus only" people all of my life, the only thing I know about their doctrine is that they say Jesus is the father, Jesus is the son, and Jesus is the Holy Ghost. They also believe that you have to repent and be baptized in Jesus name only. Not in the name of the father, and the son, and the Holy Ghost.
Although I have had close contact (family) the rest of their doctrine is not really clear, they say they are baptized in the Holy Ghost. I think they even believe it is evidenced by speaking in tongues, some of the churches in the south also practiced snake handling and drinking poison, I don't know if that was a local thing, or if part of the wider beliefs of Jesus only.
My own relatives had a lot of contention with JW doctrine, but not that much problem with Mormon doctrine...but again, I don't know if it was peculiar to them and them alone, or not. The only thing I remember hollered over and over was that there is no Trinity.