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Thank you! This is very interesting and helpful
 
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I’m considering religious books from all angles. Including how they’re treated by the religions themselves.
 
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I think one needs to study a subject thoroughly and objectively before making any conclusions as to the nature of it.
 
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I think one needs to study a subject thoroughly and objectively before making any conclusions as to the nature of it.
Noble as that sounds, I think it is important to understand that 'thorough and objective study' doesn't yield all aspects of the truth. Nor is there even such a thing as thorough and objective, most noticeably when attempting a study of the non-material.

You should be able to see that nobody's worldview allows them to consider all things. And, that if indeed there is first cause, then its point-of-view would be the only true view.
 
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True, I did mistake him for someone else, a believer, when I posted that. Nevertheless, the point stands, that IF the Bible's claims concerning the Almighty are true, then it is not on a par with the other holy books of other religions.
 
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I agree. Though it’s no reason not to attempt such investigation.
 
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Luke 12:51
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Do you think I have come to bring peace to the earth? No, I have come to divide people against each other!

and so it is ... and so it will be until He returns.

Children should be taught the Word of God ... from the Word of God.

To a certain degree I think children's picture bibles are actually doing a disservice to them .... many are made using cartoonish pictures ... and well .... God is not a cartoon!

The Word of God is sufficient for all.
 
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No, my question was not about why you think so, I meant why do you think it succeeded to be sufficient?
Would you expect anything that God does could fail?
 
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Sometimes, yes. Genesis 6:1-13

God threw in the towel… “Let’s hit the Reset button” He said…
It was not what God did that failed, it was what man did. Now God could have made man so that man did not have the option to become evil but God wanted man to think and act and make decisions on his own, just as God is able to do all those things so God made man in his image. A father can do all that is possible to ensure that a child grows up with values but the child still has the option to act in any way he wants.
 
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What was it? His oral sermons?

Partly. But it's also the fact that for the first 30 or so years that the Christian faith existed, it's followers did so without a set of additional letters and books we now recognize (more or less) as the New Testament. All they had to go by were the Law and the Prophets and what the apostles and earliest disciples could orally communicate about the meaning of the Law and the Prophets. Maybe there were a few proto writings used from some of those same apostles and disciples, but since we don't even have copies of those, and since most folks at that time weren't literate, it's difficult to ascertain to what extent written documents were used in tandem with mostly in person oral communication those first few decades.
 
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God clearly blamed Himself, He said I repent and grieve in what I have done… So He didn’t lay responsibility on the creation, but admitted in was the Creator’s mistake. It’s interesting He’s said to decide to wipe off almost all humans, but also land animals and plants. Maybe the flora and fauna weren’t done right as well, not just the Homo species… As for the Homo, there was hybridization with some divine beings (sons of God), and their God-human hybrid offspring Nephilim were renowned heroes.
 
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James, feel free to ask me questions, but to begin with:

1. The Bible is not an instruction book, it is not the way people are to be brought to Christianity from lots of different perspectives.

2. Christ and God did not give us the Bible to have the nonbeliever read and figure everything out.

3. It would be unfair for a nonbeliever today to have just the Bible and those 12, Jesus selected, to have Christ physically with them, listening to them, teaching them, sharing life with them, mentoring them, correcting them, warning them and Loving on them.

4. The Bible is just one of the tools for the Christian, to support the Christians believes.

What Jesus established as the way to teach nonbelievers is, the way He taught the 12. Christ literally lives in and through a Christian, who is very much like the nonbeliever being mentored. The Christian (a Christ like person) spends lots of time listening, questioning, discussing, teaching, mentoring, sharing life and Loving on the nonbeliever. The nonbeliever is not to fall in “love” with a book, but with Christ. If you have seen Godly type Love, you have seen God and Christ for God is Love.

The nonbeliever is not trying to get to the point of doing something, but accepting something. The lowliest uneducated person on earth can humbly accept God’s pure undeserved charity as charity, so for a well educated person to accept pure charity as charity takes humility and no one likes to humble themselves, so there is the problem.
 
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You are anthropomorphizing God. Just saying...
 
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As for the Homo, there was hybridization with some divine beings (sons of God), and their God-human hybrid offspring Nephilim were renowned heroes.
That is a subject of debate among scholars and would require a thread of its own.
 
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Wonderful! Glad to hear.

It’s not about letting down someone. It’s about different kinds of people who will take the text quite differently. Do we want that?


Its already taken differently. Jesus started 1 single religion. Today there are 34,000 claiming to be christian. Only 1 is.( 1Cor 1:10) unity of thought, no division) All claim to have holy spirit guiding them. Its not the holy spirit that is that confused. Its the dogmas of men who are misleading others in their personal interpretations. There is one truth, Either all accept it or they will lose. So how does one find the religion that has Jesus?
 
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