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per usual.Looks like we're here anyway.
tulc(agree's thread isn't about Mary, but here we are)
He didin't. Both his recommendations are CatholicsAnd when you say go to the Orthodox, I'm sure they would say it is Rome, not them.
The EO doesn't deny it either. You can go to NewMan99 (I think that's his handle) or the Theresa Little Flower and they can explain it to you fully.He didin't. Both his recommendations are Catholics
"Now remind me here: the Immaculate Conception is that Mary was born free of original sin, right?tulc (just trying to see if I remember this right)"
That's a different doctrine that some sects hold which claims that Mary never sinned throught her entire life.
this is an epiphany?
The EO doesn't deny it either. You can go to NewMan99 (I think that's his handle) or the Theresa Little Flower and they can explain it to you fully.
Yes we deny the IC of Mary..
And TLF is NOT the person to go to to understand or learn EOC beliefs..she doesn't even know her own Catholic beliefs..
No the immaculate conception is the RCC belief that Mary was born without the stain or should I say result of original sin. In other words, unlike us, she was BORN sinless. IC has nothing to do with her not sinning in life.
I bet TLF would know enough about her beautiful Catholic faith than to say a falicy like this:
In fact if you would ask her, she could teach you a lot about faith in a very educated and loving manner, you would benefit to learn a lot from her.
Just so people don't get confused though, the Immaculate Conception means that Mary was conceived without sin, which in turn she was born without sin.
The EO doesn't deny it either. You can go to NewMan99 (I think that's his handle) or the Theresa Little Flower and they can explain it to you fully.
why would I ask a Catholic regarding the EO position?
I think the point here is what that implies since both groups state they have the full deposit of faith and are inerrant in their teachings.
right, it implies that one is definitely in error. And given the nature of the impossibility of deciphering which history is true, makes me wonder how we can trust either.It implies nothing beyond that both groups cannot be correct. It certainly does not logically follow that both are incorrect if that is what you are implying here though.
Ok, then NTL,...
Are they both correct re: the Immaculate Conception?
right, it implies that one is definitely in error. And given the nature of the impossibility of deciphering which history is true, makes me wonder how we can trust either.
I assume that you would assert that anyone whom hasn't chosen Orthodox hasn't really bothered?If it is indeed impossible I guess that is an understandable position. Of course, if you actually havent bothered trying and are merely assuming this to be the case it's merely a statement that the truth isnt worth taking the trouble to establish.....
I assume that you would assert that anyone whom hasn't chosen Orthodox hasn't really bothered?
fair enough. The more you look into it though, the more muddled the picture gets, frankly.Why do you imagine that? It's perfectly possible to be honestly mistaken, that doesn't imply that it's impossible to decipher which account of history is correct though. I'm merely pointing out that its a cop out to declare that both claims cannot be trusted because it's 'impossible' to decide between them if you have in fact made no comprehensive effort to investigate the truth.
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