This was a post of mine from KingdomTalk, it was on a thread about the trinity being bunk...and I'm sorry for not adapting it for this place but wanted to share some of the ideas of it here as well, pick out any part you like, to fight about, lol. My idea of a practical "trinity" is you, me, and Him, the Reconciliation between Us.
Well thank you for the nice words...I didn't even read the whole thread, just bopped in with my own idea of a practical "trinity"...I agree it's a pretty stupid thing to divide over, when the Bible is so REPETITIVE about the One God idea...and Christ, "I and my Father are One"... But God manifesting himself in various ways is also all over the Bible, as Spirit, in Men, speaking from Heaven, you name it.
It shows a kind of "weak faith" to me, to be so driven to be "precise" about these things that the Bible speaks of in such mysterious ways.
But the one thing that drives me MAD is that people, in the name of Christ, in the name of God, have decided it is perfectly HOLY to look at their fellow human beings and see NOTHING OF WORTH IN THEM. "Totally depraved"...unless "saved"...by their definition, lol. Again, James 3:8-11 says a tongue that speaks this way is an UNRULY EVIL FULL OF DEADLY POISON, and that is exactly what one hears from the VAST MAJORITY OF PULPITS...I believe it is the "temptation" of the "strange woman". She tells us we can worship God by despising people, surely a big part of "The Lie".
The other part being we have a God who can forget the work of his hands, when in fact all that happens to us, He Feels DOUBLETIME, like a "mother" but far moreso...and He would never put us through it, except it is WORTH IT, in the end, see the story of Joseph and Job for evidence! Job 14:14-15. (The word "desire" in Job 14:15 is much stronger in the Hebrew than "her desire to her husband" and "unto thee is his desire", those are just "inclination", but God's "desire" to the work of his hands means the BLOOD, the LIFE, DRAINS FROM HIS FACE, in empathy with us....the same idea speaking of Jacob and Benjamin...and Benjamin is the "church" to me, Gen 44:30, "his life is bound up in the lad's life."
Those who insist there are some people who are NOT the "work of his hands" are ATHEISTS whether they realize it or not...they conceive of a Universe where there IS no "supreme being" but just opposed beings duking it out...unless there is One God, there is not ANY GOD, and we are without form and chaotic and there is no meaning anywhere...which no sane person believes, in his heart, where the Hidden Man lives. But it is not safe to let him out, in this wild transitional world, so much of the time, people give lip service to all sorts of hooey...but I am trying to "look underneath it all"...a pop song with that title meant a lot to me, looking for that Hidden Man, believing he is there...sometimes He is shining brightly, sometimes you have to dig through sludge.
I guess I am a "pantheist", I believe God is in everything and everybody. But surely He is a God who Hides Himself...and it is the glory of "kings" to seek Him out. Prov 25:2, to seek that Holy Thing Hidden in every man, to help that man SEE IT HIMSELF. And we cannot LIVE unless we can SEE HIM, can KNOW HIS REALITY....so life is a Treasure Hunt indeed, for the Pearl of Great Price, "far above rubies".
I do so agree with Lee that it is extremely difficult to LOVE ONESELF, truly...if we DO, as in be APPRECIATIVE OF WHO WE ARE....we are ready to love other people. Being aggressive and defensive of yourself is not loving yourself, it's just sin...blindness and unbelief, as if you think you have no Creator who is perfecting that which concerns you, Ps 138:7-8.
Thank you esp Anne for your deep empathy. It would be much easier if I was SURE I was "doing right"....moment by moment I am never sure what will happen next, we are very fragile, and my mentally ill son keeps me off balance...he has not gotten this job we were hoping for and I am with him all the time, it is very hard to explain how that is...you'd have to know how PROUD I WAS and all the hopes I had for him...well being humbled is supposed to be good for you.
I just know that there is nothing I can SAY to my husband that is helpful...it would be helpful if I showed him a more useful life...but I don't have enough control over myself apparently, to be very productive that way.
Earlier in our marriage when I was troubled about any thing I could always talk to him about it....and when the troubles got too big...with this son and all...and my "faith" BOTTOMED OUT...it was too much, it broke us....maybe why he's gotten involved with this horribly extreme "church". And now...when anything hurts, I know I can't tell him....and so it's believe in God, for real...or just shrivel up and die.
Lord I believe, help thou mine unbelief.
Of course, there is the net.
Well thank you for the nice words...I didn't even read the whole thread, just bopped in with my own idea of a practical "trinity"...I agree it's a pretty stupid thing to divide over, when the Bible is so REPETITIVE about the One God idea...and Christ, "I and my Father are One"... But God manifesting himself in various ways is also all over the Bible, as Spirit, in Men, speaking from Heaven, you name it.
It shows a kind of "weak faith" to me, to be so driven to be "precise" about these things that the Bible speaks of in such mysterious ways.
But the one thing that drives me MAD is that people, in the name of Christ, in the name of God, have decided it is perfectly HOLY to look at their fellow human beings and see NOTHING OF WORTH IN THEM. "Totally depraved"...unless "saved"...by their definition, lol. Again, James 3:8-11 says a tongue that speaks this way is an UNRULY EVIL FULL OF DEADLY POISON, and that is exactly what one hears from the VAST MAJORITY OF PULPITS...I believe it is the "temptation" of the "strange woman". She tells us we can worship God by despising people, surely a big part of "The Lie".
The other part being we have a God who can forget the work of his hands, when in fact all that happens to us, He Feels DOUBLETIME, like a "mother" but far moreso...and He would never put us through it, except it is WORTH IT, in the end, see the story of Joseph and Job for evidence! Job 14:14-15. (The word "desire" in Job 14:15 is much stronger in the Hebrew than "her desire to her husband" and "unto thee is his desire", those are just "inclination", but God's "desire" to the work of his hands means the BLOOD, the LIFE, DRAINS FROM HIS FACE, in empathy with us....the same idea speaking of Jacob and Benjamin...and Benjamin is the "church" to me, Gen 44:30, "his life is bound up in the lad's life."
Those who insist there are some people who are NOT the "work of his hands" are ATHEISTS whether they realize it or not...they conceive of a Universe where there IS no "supreme being" but just opposed beings duking it out...unless there is One God, there is not ANY GOD, and we are without form and chaotic and there is no meaning anywhere...which no sane person believes, in his heart, where the Hidden Man lives. But it is not safe to let him out, in this wild transitional world, so much of the time, people give lip service to all sorts of hooey...but I am trying to "look underneath it all"...a pop song with that title meant a lot to me, looking for that Hidden Man, believing he is there...sometimes He is shining brightly, sometimes you have to dig through sludge.
I guess I am a "pantheist", I believe God is in everything and everybody. But surely He is a God who Hides Himself...and it is the glory of "kings" to seek Him out. Prov 25:2, to seek that Holy Thing Hidden in every man, to help that man SEE IT HIMSELF. And we cannot LIVE unless we can SEE HIM, can KNOW HIS REALITY....so life is a Treasure Hunt indeed, for the Pearl of Great Price, "far above rubies".
I do so agree with Lee that it is extremely difficult to LOVE ONESELF, truly...if we DO, as in be APPRECIATIVE OF WHO WE ARE....we are ready to love other people. Being aggressive and defensive of yourself is not loving yourself, it's just sin...blindness and unbelief, as if you think you have no Creator who is perfecting that which concerns you, Ps 138:7-8.
Thank you esp Anne for your deep empathy. It would be much easier if I was SURE I was "doing right"....moment by moment I am never sure what will happen next, we are very fragile, and my mentally ill son keeps me off balance...he has not gotten this job we were hoping for and I am with him all the time, it is very hard to explain how that is...you'd have to know how PROUD I WAS and all the hopes I had for him...well being humbled is supposed to be good for you.
I just know that there is nothing I can SAY to my husband that is helpful...it would be helpful if I showed him a more useful life...but I don't have enough control over myself apparently, to be very productive that way.
Earlier in our marriage when I was troubled about any thing I could always talk to him about it....and when the troubles got too big...with this son and all...and my "faith" BOTTOMED OUT...it was too much, it broke us....maybe why he's gotten involved with this horribly extreme "church". And now...when anything hurts, I know I can't tell him....and so it's believe in God, for real...or just shrivel up and die.
Lord I believe, help thou mine unbelief.
Of course, there is the net.
