Once Saved Always Saved? true or false?

Thursday · Oct 1, 2004

Salvation is a process, not a one time event.
I'll never go around telling anyone "I'm saved." I'll say I'm being saved.
For all the times Paul warns people about falling away, about making sure to endure till the end, I mean how can you ignore that? Paul said he worked out his salvation with fear and trembling. He didnt go around asking people "are you saved?" Boy, I wish Paul were here to enter this discussion and clear things up!

Mish · Oct 1, 2004

I'll never go around telling anyone "I'm saved." I'll say I'm being saved.

I do, Jesus died on the cross for me, the battle against sin and death is won. Nothing can change that, I have accepted Chirst as my Lord, and he will not turn me away from him, or lead me into destruction. How much more saved do you want me to be?

It says in the bible, that when we sin after we are saved, it is not us sinning, but the old us, the dead us, the physical. Once we are saved, our spirit is free. The hard part is that we are trapped in our bodies until we die, Paul saw this and freqeuntly meantions that he is only here to serve God, even though dying would be best for him.

OSAS is the doctrine of freedom from sin and guilt, when I sin, I know it is wrong and I am sorry, but all this sin, and this life, will count for nothing in the end, because I have Jesus on my side.

That is how I see it anyway.

SPALATIN · Oct 1, 2004

Mish said:
I do, Jesus died on the cross for me, the battle against sin and death is won. Nothing can change that, I have accepted Chirst as my Lord, and he will not turn me away from him, or lead me into destruction. How much more saved do you want me to be?

Really? Accepted him you say. Where in the Bible does it say we have to "accept" him. We do not choose him. He Chose us.

Mish said:
It says in the bible, that when we sin after we are saved, it is not us sinning, but the old us, the dead us, the physical. Once we are saved, our spirit is free. The hard part is that we are trapped in our bodies until we die, Paul saw this and freqeuntly meantions that he is only here to serve God, even though dying would be best for him.

OSAS is the doctrine of freedom from sin and guilt, when I sin, I know it is wrong and I am sorry, but all this sin, and this life, will count for nothing in the end, because I have Jesus on my side.

That is how I see it anyway.

So when you sin with the old flesh you don't feel guilty? I do which is why I go to church so that I can confess my sin. However, we still by our sinful condition have the ability within us to reject that salvation. Not that we will mind you but we have the ability. OSAS is a faulty doctrine because it gives false assurance.

Mish · Oct 1, 2004

Really? Accepted him you say. Where in the Bible does it say we have to "accept" him. We do not choose him. He Chose us.

Yes, I accepted him i.e. his offer, he did not "choose" me, he choose everyone, but that does not mean that everyone is saved, you have to accept that offer, and therefore accept Jesus. That is how I see it, or rather, the way I say it.

So when you sin with the old flesh you don't feel guilty?

Yes, I don't feel guilty, I feel sorry. There is a difference. However, as I said, that sin does not separate me from God, as he has saved me. The only way I caould separate myself from Jesus is by rejecting his offer.

I do which is why I go to church so that I can confess my sin.

I go to Chruch to have a one-to-one with God and for community and worship with Christians, I don't need to go to Chruch to square with God, I just have to repent and pray for more strength.

However, we still by our sinful condition have the ability within us to reject that salvation.

Yes, but this has nothing to do with OSAS. I am not saying, once you are saved you cannot reject Jesus, I am saying that once you accept him, sin/not sin is irrelevant, as he has forgiven you.

Not that we will mind you but we have the ability.

Wrong, everyone sins, you just said that, to deny that you sin is to deny that you are human and to deny that you need Christ. The centre of OSAS is this, that even when we accept Jesus, we are still fallable humans, but that Jesus loves us always, and won't trun us away for our mistakes, but embrace us tighter and lead us further into him so that we can cut out our sin.

When we sin does Jesus reject us, in your opinion?

OSAS is a faulty doctrine because it gives false assurance

It gives the assurance that Jesus made to us, it assures us that we cannot part oursleves from God once we are saved, because we are joined to him by his sacrifice.

Thursday · Oct 1, 2004

I think, that if I was "saved" right now - why am I still on earth?? If I'm saved I should be in heaven.

LilRitt04 · Oct 1, 2004

First you have to understand what the word "saved" means. If it's something that man does himself, than yes, you most certainly could lose it. However, if being saved is an act of God, something God does for YOU, it is impossible to lose it. Christ died for His people. NONE of those shall be lost, or else Christ died in vain, which is not possible. Remember, God is perfect and HE CANNOT lie.
Here is something to read on the subject if you are interested.

How in the world could you say that? I mean my Dad...was a prophet and then him and my mom got a divorce and now he wants nothing to do with church. Does that mean my dad is going to heaven?

cygnusx1 · Oct 1, 2004

Thursday said:
I think, that if I was "saved" right now - why am I still on earth?? If I'm saved I should be in heaven.

Salvation involves a process called sanctification , keep going along the narrow road and you will get there.
God could have made us perfect in an instant , so the New Birth wasn't for that , it was to make us adopted children.And Once a child of God always a child of God.

BjBarnett · Oct 1, 2004

im CATHOLIC and I believe in OSAS... yup thats right i sure do. I believe once I die and if God forgives me, has mercy on me by granting me eternal peice, lets me into heaven and I am SAVED i will remain there for all eternity and no one can change that

Bulldog · Oct 1, 2004

BjBarnett said:
im CATHOLIC and I believe in OSAS... yup thats right i sure do. I believe once I die and if God forgives me, has mercy on me by granting me eternal peice, lets me into heaven and I am SAVED i will remain there for all eternity and no one can change that

But eternal life is given at belief....not reserved for when one gets to heaven.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

God Bless

Adammi · Oct 1, 2004

cygnusx1 said:
Here's the thing that cracks me up about those who believe it is possible to lose salvation..........ask them if they can get it back.............now ask them how many times

Seeing as works cannot save us but only damn us , it stands to reason that the basis of salvation , upon faith , closes the door once and forever on salvation by works or the lack of them.

How many "good works" did the saved thief on the cross do ?
He just believed upon Jesus and was SAVED.

Excellent point! I, for one, do not believe that salvation is lost when one commits bad works, but when one stops believing in Christ. "Bad works" simply open the door for unbelief.

SPALATIN · Oct 1, 2004

Christ both justifies and sanctifies us. Through faith in him we do have eternal security. However we can not decide to follow him on our own. Only through the word and sacrament are we forgiven and receive our salvation. It is all God's work. Nothing we can do of our own will can save us but we can by our own reason or will is to reject Christ and his salvific work.

I say this on the basis of Ephesians 2:8-9.

So if I had never heard the word of God I would not wake up one day and desire him or what he did for me. The only way for me to receive his gift of salvation is by hearing the word of God. Upon hearing this word, the Holy Spirit would then be able to guide me to realize that I am sinful and in need of salvation. Upon this confession that I am a sinner I would then want to be Baptized so that I may receive the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.

So the reason I reject the Once saved always saved theology is because there is always that part of me that could choose to make a decision to reject him. I agree that once we have received the Holy Spirit we would not want to do that, but it is possible. As long as there is that possibility Once saved always saved is not possible.

FreeGrace · Oct 1, 2004

SLStrohkirch said:
Christ both justifies and sanctifies us. Through faith in him we do have eternal security. However we can not decide to follow him on our own. Only through the word and sacrament are we forgiven and receive our salvation. It is all God's work. Nothing we can do of our own will can save us but we can by our own reason or will is to reject Christ and his salvific work.

I say this on the basis of Ephesians 2:8-9.

So the reason I reject the Once saved always saved theology is because there is always that part of me that could choose to make a decision to reject him. I agree that once we have received the Holy Spirit we would not want to do that, but it is possible. As long as there is that possibility Once saved always saved is not possible.

My dear Bro , You are correct when you say it is all Gods work that is why you will not be cast aside.Not ONE of Christs sheep will be lost.Please read and prayerfully consider
(Joh 10:27 ESV) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.

(Joh 10:28 ESV) I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

(Joh 10:29 ESV) My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.

Yours in Christ

GL2814 · Oct 4, 2004

Once saved always saved is true. If you say otherwise, then Jesus' death was pointless.

PacoRivera126 · Oct 4, 2004

GL2814 said:
Once saved always saved is true. If you say otherwise, then Jesus' death was pointless.

ok you cant just make a poweful statement like this and not back it up. evidence please.

SPALATIN · Oct 5, 2004

GL2814 said:
Once saved always saved is true. If you say otherwise, then Jesus' death was pointless.

Galations 2:21 For if righteousness could be gained through the law then Christ died for nothing.

This is the only verse that says anything about Christ's death being in vain.

Do you backslide? Have you ever backslid? now replace the word backslide and backslid with the word "Sin" and "Sinned" We are all sinners as well as saints at the same time. As a sinner I still have the potential to reject Christ and his death on the cross. As a saint I have the power to overcome that potential and turn away from it.

FreeGrace · Oct 5, 2004

SLStrohkirch said:
Galations 2:21 For if righteousness could be gained through the law then Christ died for nothing.

This is the only verse that says anything about Christ's death being in vain.

Do you backslide? Have you ever backslid? now replace the word backslide and backslid with the word "Sin" and "Sinned" We are all sinners as well as saints at the same time. As a sinner I still have the potential to reject Christ and his death on the cross. As a saint I have the power to overcome that potential and turn away from it.

Excellent verse bro I plead with you to meditate on it, a good explanation of salvation by Grace.
If you indeed can go on to reject Christ then you are stronger than him,please read again the verses I posted above.
This is for your comfort and strength I plead with you to see that in Christ you ARE safe.

Yours in Him

SPALATIN · Oct 5, 2004

FreeGrace said:
Excellent verse bro I plead with you to meditate on it, a good explanation of salvation by Grace.
If you indeed can go on to reject Christ then you are stronger than him,please read again the verses I posted above.
This is for your comfort and strength I plead with you to see that in Christ you ARE safe.

Yours in Him

there are two words that we need to meditate on. Would and Could.

If we have our salvation could we still reject him? Yes we could.

Would we? No, not likely to happen as we would realize that in doing so we condemn ourselves, but we are still sinful and therefore that possibility of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit does exist.

We need to always be reminded that only at the Cross of Christ are we atoned for our sins. We are always subject to our sinful nature and need to ask and receive forgiveness for that sin. But if we reject him there is no forgiveness and our hearts will be hardened.

This is why OSAS is not viable because there is the possibility that we could choose to deny his work on the cross and his divinity, but the probability once we have faith is considerably less than 1%.

FreeGrace · Oct 5, 2004

SLStrohkirch said:
there are two words that we need to meditate on. Would and Could.

If we have our salvation could we still reject him? Yes we could.

Would we? No, not likely to happen as we would realize that in doing so we condemn ourselves, but we are still sinful and therefore that possibility of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit does exist.

We need to always be reminded that only at the Cross of Christ are we atoned for our sins. We are always subject to our sinful nature and need to ask and receive forgiveness for that sin. But if we reject him there is no forgiveness and our hearts will be hardened.

This is why OSAS is not viable because there is the possibility that we could choose to deny his work on the cross and his divinity, but the probability once we have faith is considerably less than 1%.

My dear friend, First off I am not so keen on OSAS as its bandied about and often a misused term.I agree with you that the sinful nature is still present within us and we constantly have to ask Gods forgiveness. I can tell you are a devout believer who loves the Lord.All I am trying to encourage you with is Jesus's own words, His guarantee not one shall be lost.
(Rom 8:34 NKJV) Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

(Rom 8:35 NKJV) Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

Are you seriously thinking our sin which Christ died for can seperate us from the love of God.Do not misunderstand me I consider my sin a very serious matter,however Christ has paid the price in full for ALL my sin. There is not some sin I may commit that has not been paid for.

May the Lord continue to guide and bless you

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