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On the Problems with the 2 Main Political Parties in America

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Both of the political parties have been deaf, to the objections of party members to having a choice between an old political animal, and an old court jester without a conscience who wants to be a tyrant.

The choice is also between a fake Catholic Christian, and a fake Evangelical Christian.

America is facing new technological and climate challenges, and the stereotyped posturing of the 2 political parties, and their unwillingness to agree to solve these real problems, injects a level of disgust into this race, that is not sanitized by appealing to types of undefined and emotional rhetorical phrases. Posturing with patriotic phrases, will not solve these problems. Nor will denying the goodness of American democratic institutions and suggesting that the entire government should be pulled down (without explaining how a better system of governance can be built).

There are a large number of moderate voters in the middle of America's policy land, for whom BOTH parties are far too radical. And THIS is what the Democrats and the Republicans cannot comprehend.
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Unfortunately, Protestant Fundamentalists, who are historically anti-intellectual, heavily correspond with other dysfunctional trends in America. Specifically, the trend of religious parents to want their children to have a schooling which includes historic moral-ethical models: many educators in the public school system have forgotten that morality-ethics is NOT a unique religious topic, but this is a structural necessity for any fair rule of law. The dysfunction in this dynamic, is not that we should have moral-ethical content taught in schools, but that the most anti-intellectual religious group in America -- the Protestant Fundamentalists -- want to define what that curriculum is.

The second unfortunate correlation with Protestant Fundamentalists, is that they, because of their anti-intellectualism, are terrifically prone to believe conspiracy theories. Once the goodness of the intellect is discarded, ANY explanation that is emotionally pleasing may seem to be true. But, conspiracy theories are incompatible with the Christian command "You shall not lie", and they are incompatible with the American fair rule of law, which has strong constraints as to what evidence can be submitted into a court of law (there are standards of both relevance and soundness, of evidence). And this means that many Trump supporters are lawless, and reject the American fair rule of law, regardless of all their rhetoric about being for "law and order".

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Trump despises law and order, as he has shown when he threatens judges and their families, when court cases go against him. He has also advocated the lynching of Nancy Pelosi and Mike Pence, outside the due process of American law. This is pure lawlessness.
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In the coming presidential election, the moderate center of American voters must first vote to uphold the fair rule of law in America. For religious voters, this means upholding America's law that protects freedom of religion. Without America's fair rule of law, there will be no religious freedom -- only arbitrary "retribution".

For those who want Christian nationalism, I suggest that Christian nationalism was nowhere in the Apostle Paul's theology. It is clear that Paul commanded that the law of God should rule Christian congregations, but there is no effort by Paul to impose Christianity on the Roman Empire. His view was that "Here, we have no lasting city."
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The 2 major political parties in America do not deserve the loyalty of American Christians.

But American Christians must vote to uphold the fair rule of law in America. And that means rejecting politicians who promote conspiracy theories, and who threaten judges and other elected officials and their families, and who hire advisors and lawyers who will flatter them, and cover up all their immorality.
 

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Both of the political parties have been deaf, to the objections of party members to having a choice between an old political animal, and an old court jester without a conscience who wants to be a tyrant.

The choice is also between a fake Catholic Christian, and a fake Evangelical Christian.

America is facing new technological and climate challenges, and the stereotyped posturing of the 2 political parties, and their unwillingness to agree to solve these real problems, injects a level of disgust into this race, that is not sanitized by appealing to types of undefined and emotional rhetorical phrases. Posturing with patriotic phrases, will not solve these problems. Nor will denying the goodness of American democratic institutions and suggesting that the entire government should be pulled down (without explaining how a better system of governance can be built).

There are a large number of moderate voters in the middle of America's policy land, for whom BOTH parties are far too radical. And THIS is what the Democrats and the Republicans cannot comprehend.
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Unfortunately, Protestant Fundamentalists, who are historically anti-intellectual, heavily correspond with other dysfunctional trends in America. Specifically, the trend of religious parents to want their children to have a schooling which includes historic moral-ethical models: many educators in the public school system have forgotten that morality-ethics is NOT a unique religious topic, but this is a structural necessity for any fair rule of law. The dysfunction in this dynamic, is not that we should have moral-ethical content taught in schools, but that the most anti-intellectual religious group in America -- the Protestant Fundamentalists -- want to define what that curriculum is.

The second unfortunate correlation with Protestant Fundamentalists, is that they, because of their anti-intellectualism, are terrifically prone to believe conspiracy theories. Once the goodness of the intellect is discarded, ANY explanation that is emotionally pleasing may seem to be true. But, conspiracy theories are incompatible with the Christian command "You shall not lie", and they are incompatible with the American fair rule of law, which has strong constraints as to what evidence can be submitted into a court of law (there are standards of both relevance and soundness, of evidence). And this means that many Trump supporters are lawless, and reject the American fair rule of law, regardless of all their rhetoric about being for "law and order".

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Trump despises law and order, as he has shown when he threatens judges and their families, when court cases go against him. He has also advocated the lynching of Nancy Pelosi and Mike Pence, outside the due process of American law. This is pure lawlessness.
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In the coming presidential election, the moderate center of American voters must first vote to uphold the fair rule of law in America. For religious voters, this means upholding America's law that protects freedom of religion. Without America's fair rule of law, there will be no religious freedom -- only arbitrary "retribution".

For those who want Christian nationalism, I suggest that Christian nationalism was nowhere in the Apostle Paul's theology. It is clear that Paul commanded that the law of God should rule Christian congregations, but there is no effort by Paul to impose Christianity on the Roman Empire. His view was that "Here, we have no lasting city."
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The 2 major political parties in America do not deserve the loyalty of American Christians.

But American Christians must vote to uphold the fair rule of law in America. And that means rejecting politicians who promote conspiracy theories, and who threaten judges and other elected officials and their families, and who hire advisors and lawyers who will flatter them, and cover up all their immorality.
Well doh.

So are you voting for Biden to stop Trump or voting for Trump to stop Biden?
 
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Well doh.

So are you voting for Biden to stop Trump or voting for Trump to stop Biden?
I see the two parties as the two wings of the uniparty, simply playing "good cop / bad cop" with us. Which one you see as the good cop depends on your world view. Meanwhile, all they are doing is playing us against each other (which is how communism comes into power), always gaining money which is their means to power.

It's why I will vote for trump and will never again vote for a career politician for president. I don't see Trump as a party member. I see him as a RINO, but in the good way. He knew that winning was out of the question unless he joined one of the two parties.

I'd love to see a system where there is an election including all candidates following a runoff between the two biggest winners. After all, you don't control an election by getting to choose the winner. You control an election by getting to choose the viable candidates. It's what the Chicoms did when they allowed a "democratic election" in Hong Kong. It gives the appearance of choice, when there really is no choice at all. And for the first time in decades, Trump gave us a real choice - and still does.
 
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Both of the political parties have been deaf, to the objections of party members to having a choice between an old political animal, and an old court jester without a conscience who wants to be a tyrant.

The choice is also between a fake Catholic Christian, and a fake Evangelical Christian.

America is facing new technological and climate challenges, and the stereotyped posturing of the 2 political parties, and their unwillingness to agree to solve these real problems, injects a level of disgust into this race, that is not sanitized by appealing to types of undefined and emotional rhetorical phrases. Posturing with patriotic phrases, will not solve these problems. Nor will denying the goodness of American democratic institutions and suggesting that the entire government should be pulled down (without explaining how a better system of governance can be built).

There are a large number of moderate voters in the middle of America's policy land, for whom BOTH parties are far too radical. And THIS is what the Democrats and the Republicans cannot comprehend.
---------- ----------
Unfortunately, Protestant Fundamentalists, who are historically anti-intellectual, heavily correspond with other dysfunctional trends in America. Specifically, the trend of religious parents to want their children to have a schooling which includes historic moral-ethical models: many educators in the public school system have forgotten that morality-ethics is NOT a unique religious topic, but this is a structural necessity for any fair rule of law. The dysfunction in this dynamic, is not that we should have moral-ethical content taught in schools, but that the most anti-intellectual religious group in America -- the Protestant Fundamentalists -- want to define what that curriculum is.

The second unfortunate correlation with Protestant Fundamentalists, is that they, because of their anti-intellectualism, are terrifically prone to believe conspiracy theories. Once the goodness of the intellect is discarded, ANY explanation that is emotionally pleasing may seem to be true. But, conspiracy theories are incompatible with the Christian command "You shall not lie", and they are incompatible with the American fair rule of law, which has strong constraints as to what evidence can be submitted into a court of law (there are standards of both relevance and soundness, of evidence). And this means that many Trump supporters are lawless, and reject the American fair rule of law, regardless of all their rhetoric about being for "law and order".

---------- ----------
Trump despises law and order, as he has shown when he threatens judges and their families, when court cases go against him. He has also advocated the lynching of Nancy Pelosi and Mike Pence, outside the due process of American law. This is pure lawlessness.
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In the coming presidential election, the moderate center of American voters must first vote to uphold the fair rule of law in America. For religious voters, this means upholding America's law that protects freedom of religion. Without America's fair rule of law, there will be no religious freedom -- only arbitrary "retribution".

For those who want Christian nationalism, I suggest that Christian nationalism was nowhere in the Apostle Paul's theology. It is clear that Paul commanded that the law of God should rule Christian congregations, but there is no effort by Paul to impose Christianity on the Roman Empire. His view was that "Here, we have no lasting city."
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The 2 major political parties in America do not deserve the loyalty of American Christians.

But American Christians must vote to uphold the fair rule of law in America. And that means rejecting politicians who promote conspiracy theories, and who threaten judges and other elected officials and their families, and who hire advisors and lawyers who will flatter them, and cover up all their immorality.
:clap: :clap: :clap: Here here! Very eloquently and concisely stated. I agree 100% Right now it's like two sides of the same coin and the true message of Christ (blessed are the meek) has been distorted to mean we must build a Theocracy led by someone who has never given any credence to love, forgiveness, and treating others like you would want to be treated. Both parties are guilty of this and it begs the question, how can we as a nation advocate for a more than a two-party system? Especially when the one party accuses the other of being a Godless approach to government and visa versa. Great post!
 
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...it begs the question, how can we as a nation advocate for a more than a two-party system?
Fairly simple. Have a first election, and then a runoff against the two top contenders. How many people would have voted for a "third party" candidate but were afraid to because they didn't want to help their least favorite of the two parties be the winner. But if the first election only shows who is really the "favorite" of people, then everyone can choose between the two favorites in the runoff. I'm not sure if the electoral college needs to be involved in the first election. It might be possible to be pure democratic. Of course, it means they would only campaign in the most populous states.
 
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