On Keeping Promises

[Stephen3141]

https://www.dw.com/en/us-trump-says-will-pass-on-ukraine-talks-if-too-difficult/live-72285227

The current president promised, on his campaign trail, that he would stop the war
against Ukraine in a few days. He promised that he would stop the war in Gaza in
a few days. These are just 2 of many promises he made.

But now, it seems that this president who made all these promises, is declaring that
some of these problems are "too difficult", and he will move on.

In some cases, like the witholding of federal funds to Harvard University, the
failure of this president's threats against Harvard have backfired badly. And the
president is now blaming his staff for the failure.
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In general, Christians should not make promises that they don't know they
can fulfill.

In general, when Christian leaders promise to easily/quickly fix problems, and
then fail, should not they be held responsible for their inability to judge the nature
of problems?

If Christian leaders hire staff that fails to solve a problem, should not the leader
shoulder the responsibility of hiring the wrong staff, or not understanding the
problem?

Christians should not make excuses for the failures of their leaders.
And, Christian leaders should take responsibility for their failures.

 

[Neckelehamiah]

Amen to this!

Wars don’t end over night. They never have.

Trump , in my humble opinion, is extremely childish.

He seems to be unable understand the process of a democratic system, or otherwise refuses to accept it.

Writing all of those executive orders right away wasn’t a blessing. It screamed red flags louder than a banshee would.

He wants control, not peace.

It’s disgusting.

Sorry for rambling.

Our democracy is in danger. I pray over it every day.

 

[Jermayn]

https://www.dw.com/en/us-trump-says-will-pass-on-ukraine-talks-if-too-difficult/live-72285227

The current president promised, on his campaign trail, that he would stop the war
against Ukraine in a few days. He promised that he would stop the war in Gaza in
a few days. These are just 2 of many promises he made.

But now, it seems that this president who made all these promises, is declaring that
some of these problems are "too difficult", and he will move on.

In some cases, like the witholding of federal funds to Harvard University, the
failure of this president's threats against Harvard have backfired badly. And the
president is now blaming his staff for the failure.
---------- ----------

In general, Christians should not make promises that they don't know they
can fulfill.

In general, when Christian leaders promise to easily/quickly fix problems, and
then fail, should not they be held responsible for their inability to judge the nature
of problems?

If Christian leaders hire staff that fails to solve a problem, should not the leader
shoulder the responsibility of hiring the wrong staff, or not understanding the
problem?

Christians should not make excuses for the failures of their leaders.
And, Christian leaders should take responsibility for their failures.

Never expect a politician, Democrat or Republican, to actually keep all their campaign trail promises.

 

[ozso]

https://www.dw.com/en/us-trump-says-will-pass-on-ukraine-talks-if-too-difficult/live-72285227

The current president promised, on his campaign trail, that he would stop the war
against Ukraine in a few days. He promised that he would stop the war in Gaza in
a few days. These are just 2 of many promises he made.

But now, it seems that this president who made all these promises, is declaring that
some of these problems are "too difficult", and he will move on.

In some cases, like the witholding of federal funds to Harvard University, the
failure of this president's threats against Harvard have backfired badly. And the
president is now blaming his staff for the failure.
---------- ----------

In general, Christians should not make promises that they don't know they
can fulfill.

In general, when Christian leaders promise to easily/quickly fix problems, and
then fail, should not they be held responsible for their inability to judge the nature
of problems?

If Christian leaders hire staff that fails to solve a problem, should not the leader
shoulder the responsibility of hiring the wrong staff, or not understanding the
problem?

Christians should not make excuses for the failures of their leaders.
And, Christian leaders should take responsibility for their failures.

He's not a Christian leader. He's a political leader who happens to be a Christian.

Also what are his exact quotes?

 

[ozso]

Never expect a politician, Democrat or Republican, to actually keep all their campaign trail promises.

They've all failed to keep all of them.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

He's not a Christian leader. He's a political leader who happens to be a Christian.

Also what are his exact quotes?

Actually, Trump isn't a politician. He only got into politics in 2015 as he made his first run for president.
As a result he wasn't polished in how he talked like most politicians we hear from.

That being said, I've seen a big transformation in Trump since his assassination attempts. I believe
he got a revelation of Christ in the process, and he seems like a different person ever since.

 

[iluvatar5150]

He's not a Christian leader. He's a political leader who happens to be a Christian.

Also what are his exact quotes?

I'd like to know his exact quotes regarding his claiming that he's a Christian.

Actually, Trump isn't a politician. He only got into politics in 2015 as he made his first run for president.
As a result he wasn't polished in how he talked like most politicians we hear from.

lol, this is such a ridiculous take. He's a two-term president and leader of his party. He's absolutely a politician and has been for a decade. That he has adopted an unvarnished affect doesn't negate that.

That being said, I've seen a big transformation in Trump since his assassination attempts. I believe
he got a revelation of Christ in the process, and he seems like a different person ever since.

wow

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I'd like to know his exact quotes regarding his claiming that he's a Christian.



lol, this is such a ridiculous take. He's a two-term president and leader of his party. He's absolutely a politician and has been for a decade. That he has adopted an unvarnished affect doesn't negate that.


wow

He's a politician now, but never was political. The first term he served I knew he'd have a problem in that as a CEO of a company, if an employee does something, he doesn't like, he could just fire them. Not so in government.
He had to learn to work with Congress, both republican and democrat.

Keep in mind that he still has republicans who hate him and will work against him, Liz Cheney is one.

 

[iluvatar5150]

He's a politician now, but never was political.

He's always been political. The superficial politeness and institutional machinations to which we've become accustomed the last several decades are merely one flavor of politics. The personalist autocracy to which Trump aspires is another flavor - one arguably even more political, since it's even less meritocratic and more built on loyalty and fealty.

The first term he served I knew he'd have a problem in that as a CEO of a company, if an employee does something, he doesn't like, he could just fire them. Not so in government.
He had to learn to work with Congress, both republican and democrat.

Imagine that. Having to work within the structures set up by the constitution.

Keep in mind that he still has republicans who hate him and will work against him, Liz Cheney is one.

Liz Cheney hasn't been in office for two years. She's so relevant to the Republican party that she campaigned for Harris.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

He's always been political. The superficial politeness and institutional machinations to which we've become accustomed the last several decades are merely one flavor of politics. The personalist autocracy to which Trump aspires is another flavor - one arguably even more political, since it's even less meritocratic and more built on loyalty and fealty.



Imagine that. Having to work within the structures set up by the constitution.



Liz Cheney hasn't been in office for two years. She's so relevant to the Republican party that she campaigned for Harris.

No he was not political, that's merely your opinion. He was a businessman who paid people to do what he wanted or he'd
get rid of them. Government doesn't work like that and he learned the hard way the first term as president.

I didn't vote for him the first term, but after his assassination attempts, he changed. Perhaps he got a notice from God
about his vulnerability without relying on him. His Easter proclamation was excellent!

Liz Cheney was on the committee that impeached Trump. She lost her power in the Republican party afterwards.

Still, she and others had power in the RNC and Trump didn't get control until after the assassination attempts.

 

[iluvatar5150]

No he was not political, that's merely your opinion. He was a businessman who paid people to do what he wanted or he'd
get rid of them. Government doesn't work like that and he learned the hard way the first term as president.

To clarify, I was referring to his time as a candidate and as an elected official. In this tenure, he's always been political. Kissing the ring is a form of politics.

I didn't vote for him the first term, but after his assassination attempts, he changed. Perhaps he got a notice from God
about his vulnerability without relying on him.

ok

His Easter proclamation was excellent!

Which one? This one?

Does that sound like a guy in the midst of a newfound reliance on the almighty?

Liz Cheney was on the committee that impeached Trump. She lost her power in the Republican party afterwards.

Still, she and others had power in the RNC and Trump didn't get control until after the assassination attempts.

You might want to re-check your dates. The assassination attempt was in September. Trump had locked up the primaries by March. What power did Cheney have in the party after she left office? She'd already been kicked out of the Wyoming GOP and censured by the RNC.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

No, this one; Presidential Message on Holy Week, 2025

 

[iluvatar5150]

No, this one; Presidential Message on Holy Week, 2025

I wonder who wrote that for him.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I wonder who wrote that for him.

Who cares, he stated what was in the text I posted.

You can assume he didn't write it, but he believes it, or he wouldn't have made it a Holy Week proclamation.

 

[Stephen3141]

( I started this thread on the topic of leaders keeping promises.

I did not start this thread on the topic of whether or not Trump is a Christian,
or is a politician.

I did NOT start this thread as a comprehensive proof that Trump claims to
be a Christian leader, and a politician, and has made many promises that he
has now backed away from. For readers who read a couple dozen news sources,
they have already encounter a dozen situations in which Trump asserted that
he would do something "on day one" or "in a very short time". For readers who
only read Fox News or other favorite MAGA discussion threads, they may have
never encountered discussions critical of Trump, before or after the latest
election.

In my threads, I use the breaker "---------- ----------" (often) to move into a
discussion that applies directly to Christians, using the posted article as
an instance to start that discussion. Whether or not the current president
involves himself in these purely Christian discussions, is up to his behavior and
personal assertions.

I know that writing this sort of thread, does NOT fit into the common category of

"I'm for Trump"
or "I'm against Trump".

BUT, I think that the discussion of principles that directly connect with
Christians, is more important than wrangling about topics from a merely
political point of view.

That is why I (often) do not respond to comments that think that my
threads are political trolling, etc.)

 

[iluvatar5150]

Who cares, he stated what was in the text I posted.

You can assume he didn't write it, but he believes it, or he wouldn't have made it a Holy Week proclamation.

I struggle to see how one person can believe both of those Easter proclamations (i.e. the official one and the one he posted on TruthSocial) simultaneously.

What I have no trouble accepting is that he believes the official one will play well with many Christians.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I struggle to see how one person can believe both of those Easter proclamations (i.e. the official one and the one he posted on TruthSocial) simultaneously.

What I have no trouble accepting is that he believes the official one will play well with many Christians.

As I said before, I saw a big change in Trump after the assassination attempts. Others including my wife saw it too.

That being said, I like what he's doing and the promises he made during the campaign have to be take with a grain of salt.

As far as the Ukraine Russian war, there is nothing that anyone can do if both sides don't work for peace.

I'm amazed over the democrats opposing Trump's peace efforts and prefer that the war just keeps going on.

 

[trophy33]

I see two possibilities:

a) Trump lied and hugely exaggerated to the people to get elected

b) Trump grossly overestimated the power of the US president or of the USA as such, internationally

In any case, many of his promises do not seem to be based in reality. Reality is much more complex with many more important players and things are almost never just black and white.

 

[iluvatar5150]

As I said before, I saw a big change in Trump after the assassination attempts. Others including my wife saw it too.

Both of those posts were made after the assassination attempts.

I'm amazed over the democrats opposing Trump's peace efforts and prefer that the war just keeps going on.

Yeah, it's amazing that folks would be opposed to his laughably pathetic attempts at negotiations that would extract a bunch of stuff from Ukraine, while offering no security guarantees and giving Putin most everything he wants.

 

[Laodicean60]

I did not start this thread on the topic of whether or not Trump is a Christian,
or is a politician.

I don't hold any president to their word, I can only hope that's fulfills his promises, which none have as far as I can remember. Too many double standards in our tribalism.

If we are talking about conflict and ending it, Obama didn't destroy ISIS as he said in his campaign.

Trump said he'd end the war, but that is hard to do if leaders aren't willing to negotiate, especially when you have some NATO members who want the war to continue. If we withdraw our support from Ukraine, the war will end in "x" years, promise kept?