On Hillsong: Exposed

[spiritfilledjm]

Discovery+ has a documentary series called Hillsong: Exposed. At the surface it looks like it's going to be about addressing the infidelities of the leadership and how getting buddy buddy with the upper echelon of Hollywood elite has done more harm than good.

If that was all it was about, I could have lasted more than 20 minutes before turning it off. Mind you, I'm not too invested with Hillsong. I've liked their music, especially their early stuff but that's about it. I actually very rarely listen to sermons or anything unless they are by authors that I like or whoever is preaching at my home church. I tend to stay away from YouTube theologians and rarely watch preaching on TV. Regardless, I couldn't last more than 20 minutes before having to turn it off. It is actually kinda what I expected, a documentary done by a bunch of heresy hunters who likely used to be charismatic but are now cessationists due to something that happened in their past within their old churches. Lately, I notice people like this leaning towards Reformed theology and creating TikTok accounts to talk about their experiences to get sympathy and then cause more division and chaos by arguing with other Christians about things that don't matter instead of going after the ones on TikTok and YouTube with hundreds of thousands of followers who claim to be Christian but preach that living a sinful life and not following God's Word is perfectly fine because of grace. They go after each other over the smallest things instead of going after the ones saying that Jesus was transgendered, agnostic, a homosexual, and all these other blasphemous lies from the pit of Hell.

Anyways, it starts out with going through several former volunteers and staff members talking about different things, especially the history of Hillsong and how it all started. Then it moves onto a woman talking about the music and how they write songs "programmed" to get a rise in emotion out of people so they can be fooled into thinking that they are getting closer to God and that what they are feeling is God within them. This is an argument I have heard for a while now and it was at that point that I had to turn it off. Music has always been meant to get emotion out of somebody. Whether it be country music, pop music, rock music, rap, Gospel, whatever. However, yes, the music can help us get closer to God by helping us in remembering what He did for us, and by tuning out everything else from the world and just focusing on Him. That has little to do with the chord progression and more to do with the words of the song.

It was at that point though that I knew this was going to be a mud sling on all things charismatic/spirit-filled/pentecostal and I just didn't want to hear it. If you want to watch it, go nuts, just figured I'd warn everyone here though that it is incredibly biased from the start and delivered from an obvious cessationist worldview mocking several of the more popular charismatic preachers from history since TBN came on the air.

 

[topher694]

Discovery+ has a documentary series called Hillsong: Exposed. At the surface it looks like it's going to be about addressing the infidelities of the leadership and how getting buddy buddy with the upper echelon of Hollywood elite has done more harm than good.

If that was all it was about, I could have lasted more than 20 minutes before turning it off. Mind you, I'm not too invested with Hillsong. I've liked their music, especially their early stuff but that's about it. I actually very rarely listen to sermons or anything unless they are by authors that I like or whoever is preaching at my home church. I tend to stay away from YouTube theologians and rarely watch preaching on TV. Regardless, I couldn't last more than 20 minutes before having to turn it off. It is actually kinda what I expected, a documentary done by a bunch of heresy hunters who likely used to be charismatic but are now cessationists due to something that happened in their past within their old churches. Lately, I notice people like this leaning towards Reformed theology and creating TikTok accounts to talk about their experiences to get sympathy and then cause more division and chaos by arguing with other Christians about things that don't matter instead of going after the ones on TikTok and YouTube with hundreds of thousands of followers who claim to be Christian but preach that living a sinful life and not following God's Word is perfectly fine because of grace. They go after each other over the smallest things instead of going after the ones saying that Jesus was transgendered, agnostic, a homosexual, and all these other blasphemous lies from the pit of Hell.

Anyways, it starts out with going through several former volunteers and staff members talking about different things, especially the history of Hillsong and how it all started. Then it moves onto a woman talking about the music and how they write songs "programmed" to get a rise in emotion out of people so they can be fooled into thinking that they are getting closer to God and that what they are feeling is God within them. This is an argument I have heard for a while now and it was at that point that I had to turn it off. Music has always been meant to get emotion out of somebody. Whether it be country music, pop music, rock music, rap, Gospel, whatever. However, yes, the music can help us get closer to God by helping us in remembering what He did for us, and by tuning out everything else from the world and just focusing on Him. That has little to do with the chord progression and more to do with the words of the song.

It was at that point though that I knew this was going to be a mud sling on all things charismatic/spirit-filled/pentecostal and I just didn't want to hear it. If you want to watch it, go nuts, just figured I'd warn everyone here though that it is incredibly biased from the start and delivered from an obvious cessationist worldview mocking several of the more popular charismatic preachers from history since TBN came on the air.

Excellent post. That by no means excuses any poor behavior by Hillsing leadership, but the motive of those bringing the accusations is often wrong as well.

 

[WolfGate]

My perception is similar, that it is a mud sling which is using real failings as the catalyst to try and gain credibility for their trashing of charismatic distinctives. I'm fine with holding the church accountable for real failings, particularly from within. I have no problem with the purpose behind the Mars Hill podcast that CT did; the whole point is the influence the church to do better, even dismantle and rebuild some failed methods. My take on this show is it simply is looking for ratings and to tear down a church.

 

[lismore]

Lately, I notice people like this leaning towards Reformed theology and creating TikTok accounts to talk about their experiences to get sympathy and then cause more division and chaos by arguing with other Christians about things that don't matter instead of going after the ones on TikTok and YouTube with hundreds of thousands of followers who claim to be Christian but preach that living a sinful life and not following God's Word is perfectly fine because of grace. They go after each other over the smallest things instead of going after the ones saying that Jesus was transgendered, agnostic, a homosexual, and all these other blasphemous lies from the pit of Hell.

Yes, there are some speakers on youtube who expose obvious problems in big name ministries, fair enough. But often I think they go too far and only show one side of the topic (in all but the most serious cases), paint with a broad brush. They also seem to turn on each other quite easily as you have noted.

But I think the real issues they're pointing, if you know the scriptures, have the Holy Spirit, much of it will be obvious. (There does seem to be a lot of obvious and popular dodgy stuff out there 'heresy' from big name ministries and perhaps sadly until the Lord returns always will).

If you're looking for a recommendation for you tube the Actor David Suchet narrates bible books on you tube, he was saved through reading a Gideon's bible in a hotel and has a very soothing voice.

God Bless

 

[Halbhh]

yes, the music can help us get closer to God by helping us in remembering what He did for us, and by tuning out everything else from the world and just focusing on Him. That has little to do with the chord progression and more to do with the words of the song.

Exactly.

It's not the music, it's the lyrics, I've found, over and over.

The typical music of my many favorites isn't even close to the level of quality you can hear in classic pop rock songs.

It's just ok. C- to D grade if had no words or secular words.

But the words make the songs vastly better then the best secular classics.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

Discovery+ has a documentary series called Hillsong: Exposed. At the surface it looks like it's going to be about addressing the infidelities of the leadership and how getting buddy buddy with the upper echelon of Hollywood elite has done more harm than good.

I saw something like that on You-tube last December but it was a documentary made from 60 minutes Australia made a few years back.

 

[Halbhh]

Discovery+ has a documentary series called Hillsong: Exposed. At the surface it looks like it's going to be about addressing the infidelities of the leadership and how getting buddy buddy with the upper echelon of Hollywood elite has done more harm than good.

If that was all it was about, I could have lasted more than 20 minutes before turning it off. Mind you, I'm not too invested with Hillsong. I've liked their music, especially their early stuff but that's about it. I actually very rarely listen to sermons or anything unless they are by authors that I like or whoever is preaching at my home church. I tend to stay away from YouTube theologians and rarely watch preaching on TV. Regardless, I couldn't last more than 20 minutes before having to turn it off. It is actually kinda what I expected, a documentary done by a bunch of heresy hunters who likely used to be charismatic but are now cessationists due to something that happened in their past within their old churches. Lately, I notice people like this leaning towards Reformed theology and creating TikTok accounts to talk about their experiences to get sympathy and then cause more division and chaos by arguing with other Christians about things that don't matter instead of going after the ones on TikTok and YouTube with hundreds of thousands of followers who claim to be Christian but preach that living a sinful life and not following God's Word is perfectly fine because of grace. They go after each other over the smallest things instead of going after the ones saying that Jesus was transgendered, agnostic, a homosexual, and all these other blasphemous lies from the pit of Hell.

Anyways, it starts out with going through several former volunteers and staff members talking about different things, especially the history of Hillsong and how it all started. Then it moves onto a woman talking about the music and how they write songs "programmed" to get a rise in emotion out of people so they can be fooled into thinking that they are getting closer to God and that what they are feeling is God within them. This is an argument I have heard for a while now and it was at that point that I had to turn it off. Music has always been meant to get emotion out of somebody. Whether it be country music, pop music, rock music, rap, Gospel, whatever. However, yes, the music can help us get closer to God by helping us in remembering what He did for us, and by tuning out everything else from the world and just focusing on Him. That has little to do with the chord progression and more to do with the words of the song.

It was at that point though that I knew this was going to be a mud sling on all things charismatic/spirit-filled/pentecostal and I just didn't want to hear it. If you want to watch it, go nuts, just figured I'd warn everyone here though that it is incredibly biased from the start and delivered from an obvious cessationist worldview mocking several of the more popular charismatic preachers from history since TBN came on the air.

Most every church type has had to replace a pastor. Even if they didn't tell you what happened 15 or 28 years ago in a nearby town.

People should not put much of their reliance on a pastor to learn what Christ said. The pastor in a given location is an individual, who may do well or poorly, who will sometimes be wrong, etc.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

Discovery+ has a documentary series called Hillsong: Exposed. At the surface it looks like it's going to be about addressing the infidelities of the leadership and how getting buddy buddy with the upper echelon of Hollywood elite has done more harm than good.

If that was all it was about, I could have lasted more than 20 minutes before turning it off. Mind you, I'm not too invested with Hillsong. I've liked their music, especially their early stuff but that's about it. I actually very rarely listen to sermons or anything unless they are by authors that I like or whoever is preaching at my home church. I tend to stay away from YouTube theologians and rarely watch preaching on TV. Regardless, I couldn't last more than 20 minutes before having to turn it off. It is actually kinda what I expected, a documentary done by a bunch of heresy hunters who likely used to be charismatic but are now cessationists due to something that happened in their past within their old churches. Lately, I notice people like this leaning towards Reformed theology and creating TikTok accounts to talk about their experiences to get sympathy and then cause more division and chaos by arguing with other Christians about things that don't matter instead of going after the ones on TikTok and YouTube with hundreds of thousands of followers who claim to be Christian but preach that living a sinful life and not following God's Word is perfectly fine because of grace. They go after each other over the smallest things instead of going after the ones saying that Jesus was transgendered, agnostic, a homosexual, and all these other blasphemous lies from the pit of Hell.

Anyways, it starts out with going through several former volunteers and staff members talking about different things, especially the history of Hillsong and how it all started. Then it moves onto a woman talking about the music and how they write songs "programmed" to get a rise in emotion out of people so they can be fooled into thinking that they are getting closer to God and that what they are feeling is God within them. This is an argument I have heard for a while now and it was at that point that I had to turn it off. Music has always been meant to get emotion out of somebody. Whether it be country music, pop music, rock music, rap, Gospel, whatever. However, yes, the music can help us get closer to God by helping us in remembering what He did for us, and by tuning out everything else from the world and just focusing on Him. That has little to do with the chord progression and more to do with the words of the song.

It was at that point though that I knew this was going to be a mud sling on all things charismatic/spirit-filled/pentecostal and I just didn't want to hear it. If you want to watch it, go nuts, just figured I'd warn everyone here though that it is incredibly biased from the start and delivered from an obvious cessationist worldview mocking several of the more popular charismatic preachers from history since TBN came on the air.

Hi I am not a heresy hunter but you will know a tree by its fruit. A few years ago the best ruby player in the world a guy named Israel Folau made statements on record that gay people needed to repent and turn to Jesus or they would end up in hell. Now Hillsong took position on this and Folau was demonized and his speech was considered hate speech which is not true as faith if the gospel is agreeing that you are guilty before a holy God and need a savior and you repent of your sins. Folau took a lot of heat for standing up to the culture and Hillsong was on the wrong side of this line.

Hillsong founder Brian Houston slams Folau over any-gay post | Daily Mail Online

 

[Blade]

This is not at the OP but I stopped at "Discovery+ has a documentary series called Hillsong: Exposed." Well two words "Discovery/exposed" = "mud sling on all things charismatic/spirit-filled/pentecostal " amen.

Oh stopped meaning not watching something someone of this world to tell me about my Fathers kids.. my family. I am not like most..see no matter what I do no matter how stuck I get no matter how far I fall CHRIST is always there..so I will do the same for EVERYONE of my family...He never judges me never condemns me...its LOVE that always changes the heart

 

[Always in His Presence]

My lamp will never shine brighter by putting out my brothers lamp.

 

[jiminpa]

Discovery+ has a documentary series called Hillsong: Exposed. At the surface it looks like it's going to be about addressing the infidelities of the leadership and how getting buddy buddy with the upper echelon of Hollywood elite has done more harm than good.

If that was all it was about, I could have lasted more than 20 minutes before turning it off. Mind you, I'm not too invested with Hillsong. I've liked their music, especially their early stuff but that's about it. I actually very rarely listen to sermons or anything unless they are by authors that I like or whoever is preaching at my home church. I tend to stay away from YouTube theologians and rarely watch preaching on TV. Regardless, I couldn't last more than 20 minutes before having to turn it off. It is actually kinda what I expected, a documentary done by a bunch of heresy hunters who likely used to be charismatic but are now cessationists due to something that happened in their past within their old churches. Lately, I notice people like this leaning towards Reformed theology and creating TikTok accounts to talk about their experiences to get sympathy and then cause more division and chaos by arguing with other Christians about things that don't matter instead of going after the ones on TikTok and YouTube with hundreds of thousands of followers who claim to be Christian but preach that living a sinful life and not following God's Word is perfectly fine because of grace. They go after each other over the smallest things instead of going after the ones saying that Jesus was transgendered, agnostic, a homosexual, and all these other blasphemous lies from the pit of Hell.

Anyways, it starts out with going through several former volunteers and staff members talking about different things, especially the history of Hillsong and how it all started. Then it moves onto a woman talking about the music and how they write songs "programmed" to get a rise in emotion out of people so they can be fooled into thinking that they are getting closer to God and that what they are feeling is God within them. This is an argument I have heard for a while now and it was at that point that I had to turn it off. Music has always been meant to get emotion out of somebody. Whether it be country music, pop music, rock music, rap, Gospel, whatever. However, yes, the music can help us get closer to God by helping us in remembering what He did for us, and by tuning out everything else from the world and just focusing on Him. That has little to do with the chord progression and more to do with the words of the song.

It was at that point though that I knew this was going to be a mud sling on all things charismatic/spirit-filled/pentecostal and I just didn't want to hear it. If you want to watch it, go nuts, just figured I'd warn everyone here though that it is incredibly biased from the start and delivered from an obvious cessationist worldview mocking several of the more popular charismatic preachers from history since TBN came on the air.

As soon as I saw Discovery Channel I knew all that I needed to know. If a bunch of cessationists partnered with the world to lie about Christians that just shows their real allegiances.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

My lamp will never shine brighter by putting out my brothers lamp.

Ahh but it may make yours the only one that is shining, and some people get a rise out of that. Not saying that you are one of those people, but unfortunately that is the cause in some instances.

 

[jiminpa]

Ahh but it may make yours the only one that is shining, and some people get a rise out of that. Not saying that you are one of those people, but unfortunately that is the cause in some instances.

I was just discussing a situation where one "Christian" put out the lamps of of other Christians. The one who did the putting out isn't shining even a dim light either. His platform is long out of business, and from what I saw he sits around like some washed up old sports player wishing for the glory days when he took down ministries that weren't living up to his standards for others, (which are far stricter than his standards for himself).

 

[ByTheSpirit]

I was just discussing a situation where one "Christian" put out the lamps of of other Christians. The one who did the putting out isn't shining even a dim light either. His platform is long out of business, and from what I saw he sits around like some washed up old sports player wishing for the glory days when he took down ministries that weren't living up to his standards for others, (which are far stricter than his standards for himself).

I've met people like this. Back when I did street ministry, I met a guy that no joke, to my face, yelled that my love for Jesus was no match for him. That my church was full of sin and backsliding people and he didn't want to hear about Jesus from me.

Others go about it more subtly, but the effect is the same. Sad really

 

[topher694]

I was just discussing a situation where one "Christian" put out the lamps of of other Christians. The one who did the putting out isn't shining even a dim light either. His platform is long out of business, and from what I saw he sits around like some washed up old sports player wishing for the glory days when he took down ministries that weren't living up to his standards for others, (which are far stricter than his standards for himself).

When you pastor a church, especially a spirit-filled church, you run into this quite a bit.

 

[jiminpa]

The ministries that got taken down had their flaws, and the one guy repented of the things he should have been doing better, but never had the same platform after that. Another ministry was a woman who had serious mental health issues from the evil that she was trying to warn people about. The sin hunter drove her mental health over the edge and used the distress he caused as the evidence that she was too unstable to be trusted. I don't want to go into specifics because I really don't want to give out the name of the sin hunter. I'm not sure that it wouldn't put me on his level.