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XVI. Of the Ecclesiastical Ban, or Separation from the Church
We also believe in, and confess, a ban, separation, and Christian correction in the church, for amendment, and not for destruction, in order to distinguish that which is pure from the impure: namely, when any one, after he is enlightened, has accepted the knowledge of the truth, and been incorporated into the communion of the saints, sins again unto death, either through willfulness, or through presumption against God, or through some other cause, and falls into the unfruitful works of darkness, thereby becoming separated from God, and forfeiting the kingdom of God, that such a one, after the deed is manifest and sufficiently known to the church, may not remain in the congregation of the righteous, but, as an offensive member and open sinner, shall and must be separated, put away, reproved before all, and purged out as leaven; and this for his amendment, as an example, that others may fear, and to keep the church pure, by cleansing her from such spots, lest, in default of this, the name of the Lord be blasphemed, the church dishonored, and offense given to them that are without; and finally, that the sinner may not be condemned with the world, but become convinced in his mind, and be moved to sorrow, repentance, and reformation. Jer. 59:2; I Cor. 5:5, 13; I Tim. 5:20; I Cor. 5:6; II Cor. 10:8; 13:10. Further, concerning brotherly reproof or admonition, as also the instruction of the erring it is necessary to exercise all diligence and care, to watch over them and to admonish them with all meekness, that they may be bettered, and to reprove, according as is proper, the stubborn who remain obdurate; in short, the church must put away from her the wicked (either in doctrine or life), and no other. Jas. 5:19; Titus 3:10; I Cor. 5:13.

this is cut and pasted from the Dordrecht Confession of Faith listed as what anabaptist/ mennonite faith believes, my question is simple,at least i feel it is, How is it you can feel good about seperating a fallen soul from the church when at this time of his life is when he needs the direction and guidence of good christians in his life most? How is it, we can turn on someone simply because we say they behaved poorly? What constitutes this seperation? Wouldn't you think the church should take this person under their wing and help him to repent of his evil ways and to help him find his way back to Christ? I understand, that we are trying to protect the good of the church but isn't that man's salvation worth something?:sigh:
 

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obedience to G_d's Instructions are Life and lead to life; lawlessness is rampant and those who are lawless are not allowed in G_d's Presence.
since Scripture says this throughout Alpha to Omega, from Genesis to Revelation, then any who hope to trust for eternity in G_d are doing so already; only those who call Him "lord,lord' but don't obey him because their heart is far from Him are judged by Him and cast out.

likewise G_d's Word gives very specific and vital instructions to His set-apart ones on earth on how to live. He says if you say you love Him, but you don't obey these instructions, that you are a liar and the truth is not in you (1 john ) . read it for yourself to verify, or you won't know if it is true.

the purpose of setting someone out of fellowship if they won't repent of sin, is similar if not exactly as G_d breathed Word through the apostle Paul - deliver them to satan so that their souls MIGHT be saved. they may turn to G_d and be healed before they perish.

the only church obey scripture that i know of in this regard is in peru.
when they disfellowship someone in accordance with G_d's Instructions, most of the time the one put out returns to G_d and stops sinning and is, subject to testing and continues observation, restored to fellowship in wholeness! that's the point, wholeness in obedience to G_d's Instructions.

to allow sinners to keep sinning and call themselves believers and keep fellowship with them[so they feel better or any other reason] is blatently disobedient to G_d's Word and results in strict judgement
from Him [or a little lesser judgement, His to choose, if someone sins in ignorance, as His Word says plainly]
 
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