Old Testament and rape victims stoned.

[Sammy-San]

What if you read the Bible Literally?: Stone the rape victim for not screaming for help

She contemplates screaming, but understands this to be a death sentence and thus remains silent, throughout the ordeal, only yelling for help as her assaillant leaves the scene. In this case, according to scriptures, she must be put to death.

Considering the last two scenes, the woman in question has a death sentence to her name, the moment the man flashes his knife.

So she was stoned for not risking her life? If she did the right thing, she would've died, and has to die, after rescuing her life from that? It's like at that point, according to Old Testament law, she had to die regardless.

Are Christians Biblically Justified to Defend Themselves Using Lethal Force? - TRUEXODUS

So let’s get this straight. The first girl has the opportunity to be saved (in the city) and doesn’t elicit help. The second girl is in a place where no one can hear her and still fights back, screams and cries out for help. In the case of the two girls, the girl who fights is the girl who should keep her life — the other girl, according to God — loses it.



Why? That seems like an awful outcome!

Well, keep in mind that God designed these laws around the person’s heart. And if the woman who has the opportunity to be saved from her attacker doesn’t take that opportunity, then she either wants it to happen, or she doesn’t care. Either way, God says, “purge the evil from among you.”

How do you make sense of this? This verse is very difficult.

 

[Radagast]

What if you read the Bible Literally?: Stone the rape victim for not screaming for help

Of course it doesn't mean that.

And why are you spending time on anti-Christian websites anyway?

 

[R. Hartono]

It means a woman should not fear death and threats even if she had to die she would die in honour to protect her holiness from bastards.

Matt 10:28 Don't fear those who kill the body but are not able to kill the soul.

 

[Occams Barber]

Of course it doesn't mean that.

And why are you spending time on anti-Christian websites anyway?

Who made you his dad?

He's expanding his mind by contemplating alternative opinions.
OB

 

[Sammy-San]

It means a woman should not fear death and threats even if she had to die she would die in honour to protect her holiness from bastards.

Matt 10:28 Don't fear those who kill the body but are not able to kill the soul.

What about the sentence, "she had a death sentence the moment she was threatened".

If she survived it, she was stoned.
If she did the honorable thing, she died.

only yelling for help as her assaillant leaves the scene. In this case, according to scriptures, she must be put to death.

Didn't she cry out for help in that case?

 

[Cheylynn]

What if you read the Bible Literally?: Stone the rape victim for not screaming for help

Considering the last two scenes, the woman in question has a death sentence to her name, the moment the man flashes his knife.

So she was stoned for not risking her life? If she did the right thing, she would've died, and has to die, after rescuing her life from that? It's like at that point, according to Old Testament law, she had to die regardless.

Are Christians Biblically Justified to Defend Themselves Using Lethal Force? - TRUEXODUS



How do you make sense of this? This verse is very difficult.

You read scripture with the guidance of the indwelling Spirit. To cherry pick such as this causes confusion to the new convert and edifies the unbelieving to continue in their unbelief in the things of God. Please stop.

 

[Sammy-San]

You read scripture with the guidance of the indwelling Spirit. To cherry pick such as this causes confusion to the new convert and edifies the unbelieving to continue in their unbelief in the things of God. Please stop.

I like making sense of things. They were stoned for not risking their life?

 

[Cheylynn]

I like making sense of things. They were stoned for not risking their life?

you will never make (spiritual) sense of things in the manner you are going about to do so. You are mixing the philosophy of the world and adding a dash of scripture and your commentary - and expect to come up with anything of spiritual value?
Dangerous ground my friend.

 

[HypnoToad]

What if you read the Bible Literally?: Stone the rape victim for not screaming for help

I'm assuming this is about Deuteronomy 22:23-24? I've tried two different browsers, the page won't load.

If it is that passage, the part about the woman not screaming - it's talking about an engaged woman having consensual sex with someone else, not rape - she's not screaming because she's not resisting because she is a willing participant.

 

[Sammy-San]

I'm assuming this is about Deuteronomy 22:23-24? I've tried two different browsers, the page won't load.

If it is that passage, the part about the woman not screaming - it's talking about an engaged woman having consensual sex with someone else, not rape - she's not screaming because she's not resisting because she is a willing participant.

What of the people who say, "she had a death sentenced attached to her the moment the knife is flashed".

Unmarried/unengaged women had no chance of being stoned, in those situations.

 

[HypnoToad]

What of the people who say, "she had a death sentenced attached to her the moment the knife is flashed".

What of them? I don't see how that claim makes sense.

 

[JackRT]

These laws emerged out of a very patriarchal society which at least on the official level regarded women as less human than a man and as little more than a commodity. She was the property of her father until the bride price was paid and she then became the property of her husband. As the property of her father her virginity had to be protected at all costs. As her husbands property, he required assurance that any offspring were fathered by him and him alone. In all of this she was little more than a pawn in a male dominated world. That is simply the way it was in Biblical times. It should not be the way it is today.

 

[Sammy-San]

What of them? I don't see how that claim makes sense.

1-She risked death (murder) be resisting.
2-If she didn't resist, she risked being sentenced to death.

 

[HypnoToad]

1-She risked death (murder) be resisting.
2-If she didn't resist, she risked being sentenced to death.

You're still looking at it as if it's talking about a rape. As I already said, it's not talking about rape.

 

[HypnoToad]

These laws emerged out of a very patriarchal society which at least on the official level regarded women as less human than a man

No, God did not "officially" regard women as less human than men.

 

[JackRT]

No, God did not "officially" regard women as less human than men.

I agree completely with that. But the OT writers certainly did.

 

[JackRT]

You're still looking at it as if it's talking about a rape. As I already said, it's not talking about rape.

That claim is far from clear. In a situation of dire threat many people, male and female alike, will freeze up and not fight or even scream.

 

[HypnoToad]

I agree completely with that. But the OT writers certainly did.

Oh, that's right. The Bible isn't actually the inspired Word of God. I keep forgetting that it was just made up by men.

 

[HypnoToad]

That claim is far from clear. In a situation of dire threat many people, male and female alike, will freeze up and not fight or even scream.

Well, since it's all just a bunch of stories some guys made up, it really doesn't matter.

 

[sdowney717]

Well, since it's all just a bunch of stories some guys made up, it really doesn't matter.

Do and believe whatever seems right to you and do it with gusto! As long as it agrees with the prevailing pop culture of the time. In a democracy, Noah's flood would never have been allowed, but God's kingdom is not a democracy..