Ok soo.

[allout2k3]

Atheists I want to know what you believe.. How the earth came about.. How we came about.. etc.

 

[Jet Black]

physics.

 

[allout2k3]

So ya think everything just formed on its own? It jsut came about.. The world/earth had everything we needed as humans to exsist.. That everything fit into place so perfect.

 

[Jet Black]

yeap. are you saying that nature can't do it alone?

 

[ValenII]

yeap. are you saying that nature can't do it alone?

so far what are the new animals that nature has created without a source?

 

[allout2k3]

tell me how humans formed from physics, and why there not humans still forming from physics?

 

[Siliconaut]

Is this a troll thread? C'mon, you surely went to school, had biology lessons - so I guess we can take for granted that with all the sex going on, humans are still forming from physics.

If you want to ask serious questions and cannot find these answered in a previous thread (in the science forum, e.g.), ask them one at a time.

It's not back to school day.

 

[Evo]

tell me how humans formed from physics, and why there not humans still forming from physics?

What mr black is saying is that everything can be explained threw interactions of particles. Its just a matter of us searching for the answers.

You are proposing the "God of gaps theory" in other words you are saying that i can't imagine how it could have be, so God must have done it. But to you i ask this question. Everytime an eletric bolt strikes down out of the sky do you think this is the will of God? is there a divine enitiy in the sky playing with the clouds and making lightning bolts strike down?

Ben Franklin with his famous kite experment, proved that lightning was electricty not Devine display. It could be explained;
Visible discharge of electricity when part of the atmosphere acquires enough electrical charge to overcome the resistance of the air.
http://concise.britannica.com/ebc/article?eu=395527

He invented the first lightening rod, and the chruch wouldn't use it because they thought it was the lord. Something like 32 people died after the rod was built, because the church was to stubborn to put in a lightening rod. The entirety of history people thought it was some deity like zeus in the sky. And now it can not only be explained but it can be reproduced in a labortroy.

God of the gaps is not a valid argument for God. Everything, with holes, can be explained back to the big bang. Some holes are bigger than others, there are Pretty solid theories on aboigenisis, but they are not full proof or completely valid.

 

[Arikay]

This seems to be a more science forum question.

 

[allout2k3]

"tell me how humans formed from physics"

 

[Evo]

"tell me how humans formed from physics"

Study, physics (specifically molecluar/atomic compostions and interactions), cosmology (specifically the big bang), abiogenisis (nonliving to living), and evolution (decent with modification). Then we can debate once you have a ground base of knowledge.

 

[ObbiQuiet]

Atheists I want to know what you believe.. How the earth came about.. How we came about.. etc.

Well, read up on biology, physics, astrophysics for all the details. I'll give you the short version:

1) Big bang. Causes could be from a quantum fluctuation(sp?), to a black hole from another universe, to even two other universes sheering together and spawning this one with it's pathetic 4 dimensions.

2) Solar system begins to form out of gas cloud (or some other method), planets form, ours forms. We are a 2nd or 3rd generation galaxy, I forget which.

3) Evolution over millions and millions of years, up until today.

 

[allout2k3]

1) Big bang. Causes could be from a quantum fluctuation(sp?), to a black hole from another universe, to even two other universes sheering together and spawning this one with it's pathetic 4 dimensions.
-where did the those 2 universes come from? where did the black hole come from..

2) Solar system begins to form out of gas cloud (or some other method), planets form, ours forms. We are a 2nd or 3rd generation galaxy, I forget which.
-where did those planets come from? where did the gas come from?
3) Evolution over millions and millions of years, up until today.
-where did the monkeys/apes or whatever comefrom? Or you belive to that 2 sexes came from one singled cell organisim

 

[Jet Black]

so far what are the new animals that nature has created without a source?

the source is natural selection.

 

[Jet Black]

tell me how humans formed from physics, and why there not humans still forming from physics?

chemistry (a subset of physics). one can demonstrate that humans function based on chemistry, because if one sets a human on fire, or drops them in a pool of acid, then they will do exactly what is expected of them.

 

[Jet Black]

1) Big bang. Causes could be from a quantum fluctuation(sp?), to a black hole from another universe, to even two other universes sheering together and spawning this one with it's pathetic 4 dimensions.
-where did the those 2 universes come from? where did the black hole come from..

let us for a moment assume God... where did God come from.

2) Solar system begins to form out of gas cloud (or some other method), planets form, ours forms. We are a 2nd or 3rd generation galaxy, I forget which.
-where did those planets come from? where did the gas come from?

big bang and physics. planetary formation is quite well modelled already, though there will be errors. there are a multitude of answers other than "god got some clay and put it there"

3) Evolution over millions and millions of years, up until today.
-where did the monkeys/apes or whatever comefrom? Or you belive to that 2 sexes came from one singled cell organisim

they came from evolution. and as for sex, there are a number of ways it could come about on it's own.


really if you are saying that nature cannot do this, then you are more of an atheist than I am, because you are essentially saying that the universe is not a part of God.

 

[allout2k3]

ok all you atheists all you physics believers all you evo's all those were created by man ... now wasn't there a time when the brightest minds in the world believed that the world was flat? And, up until like what, 50 years ago, you all thought the atom was the smallest thing, until you split it open, and this like, whole mess of **** came out. Now, are you telling me that you are so unbelievably arrogant that you can't admit that there's a teeny tiny possibility that you could be wrong about this?

 

[Arikay]

1) Here is a thread by lucaspa, http://www.christianforums.com/t43923 check out the first Post, it gives 5 of the current ideas about how the universe started (one of them is god).

2) The gasses possibly came from other stars and what not and the original gasses that formed the came from the energy combining once it cooled from the big bang.

3) The apes came from another species, just like all animals. The evolution of the sexes was an important thing as the sharing of different genetic information allows for more diversity and more diversity is a good thing.

1) Big bang. Causes could be from a quantum fluctuation(sp?), to a black hole from another universe, to even two other universes sheering together and spawning this one with it's pathetic 4 dimensions.
-where did the those 2 universes come from? where did the black hole come from..

2) Solar system begins to form out of gas cloud (or some other method), planets form, ours forms. We are a 2nd or 3rd generation galaxy, I forget which.
-where did those planets come from? where did the gas come from?
3) Evolution over millions and millions of years, up until today.
-where did the monkeys/apes or whatever comefrom? Or you belive to that 2 sexes came from one singled cell organisim

 

[Arikay]

Yep we can.

Thats why you cant "prove" anything in science. Because its impossible to prove some 100%. However we can get very close.

One thing to note is that if evolution was wrong, there is a very large chance that the correct answer still wouldnt be creationism.

ok all you atheists all you physics believers all you evo's all those were created by man ... now wasn't there a time when the brightest minds in the world believed that the world was flat? And, up until like what, 50 years ago, you all thought the atom was the smallest thing, until you split it open, and this like, whole mess of **** came out. Now, are you telling me that you are so unbelievably arrogant that you can't admit that there's a teeny tiny possibility that you could be wrong about this?

 

[allout2k3]

really if you are saying that nature cannot do this, then you are more of an atheist than I am, because you are essentially saying that the universe is not a part of God.

no i'm saying god did all of it not that nature did it all..

God has always been... you are saying everything the universe and all fit so perfect but it all just appeared it is more logical than for something to always has been than for something to just appear