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Oh boy - I wondered what this whole Mar A Lago thing was about
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<blockquote data-quote="SimplyMe" data-source="post: 76863054" data-attributes="member: 9588"><p>Actually, you don't know that -- you make a lot of assumptions there. What we know is that she used a private email server rather than a government email that was provided by the State Department. From what I recall seeing from the FBI, there is no claim that Ms. Clinton sent any emails that were classified (at least at the time she sent them). Instead, the FBI stated that she received emails that included classified information. </p><p></p><p>Next, I'm not aware of any claims by the FBI that she tried to cover up her "crimes." Yes, claimed not to believe she had classified information on her servers -- something that proved to be false -- but so far as we know she actually believed there was no classified information.</p><p></p><p>As for the "deleted" emails, I've stated that was wrong -- she should not have wiped her servers. However, she complied with what was asked for; she was asked for a copy of all her work emails from her time as Secretary of State. So far as I've seen, she turned all those emails -- despite Republican claims to the contrary. The FBI, to ensure they received all the relevant emails, got copies of emails sent from the State Department to Ms. Clinton's email address, as well as from individuals who sent emails to Ms. Clinton (such as the warrant for Rep. Weiner's laptop). The FBI never claimed Ms. Clinton did not turn over all relevant emails, never claimed it was a crime she broke.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And as I've shown, this if false. Pres. Trump ordered his AG to set up a DoJ investigation of Ms. Clinton. AG Sessions <a href="https://www.americanoversight.org/sessions-letter" target="_blank">appointed a Federal Prosecutor, at Trump's urging, to re-investigate Ms. Clinton</a> for everything she had been accused of (Uranium One, Benghazi, the Clinton Foundation, her emails, etc). The prosecutor's investigation lasted all through the Trump presidency, under multiple AGs, only officially ending (though the investigations ended sooner) when Trump left office; <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/justice-dept-winds-down-clinton-related-inquiry-once-championed-by-trump-it-found-nothing-of-consequence/2020/01/09/ca83932e-32f9-11ea-a053-dc6d944ba776_story.html" target="_blank">the prosecutor could find nothing to charge</a> Hillary with.</p><p></p><p>Which, again, shows your assumptions appear to be false -- a prosecutor spending all that time looking at the prior investigations and re-investigating as necessary and could find nothing to charge her with. If there had been actual crimes found then she would have been prosecuted.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>First, again, my recollection is that some emails had classified information in them -- not classified documents -- that had been sent to her from subordinates who appear to have thought the email was secure. As I understand it -- and if you can show I'm wrong I'd love to see it -- these were classified at the lowest level, "Confidential" -- with likely even few documents, if any, that were even classified as "Secret."</p><p></p><p>Pres. Trump had information classified as not just "Top Secret" but "Top Secret/SCI." And, no, he appears not to have been the final authority on classification of these documents. More to the point, it would appear these documents were shipped when he was leaving office, when he no longer had any reason to possess these documents -- much less remove them from the White House or any declassification ability for any classified documents. </p><p></p><p>And before you claim that people take out classified information out of government buildings all the time, that is true of "Secret" and below documents -- it rarely happens with "Top Secret/SCI" and if they are removed, they are very securely moved/stored (such as the stereotypical briefcase handcuffed to the person moving it).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not changing my position at all. I'm not going to claim if Ms. Clinton should have been charged or not; I do find it was wrong for her to have a private email server and for destroying her server hard drives -- those should have been retained if needed by the FBI. I have to trust that since the Trump AG appointed prosecutor, John Huber, as well as any of Trump's AGs, claim there was nothing to prosecute her that they were telling the truth.</p><p></p><p>As for former Pres. Trump, I'm willing to wait until the FBI/DoJ determine if he should be prosecuted. I do know that it was a crime for him to remove these boxes, even non-classified Presidential records, from the White House and not turn them over to the National Archives. Of course, he shouldn't be prosecuted for that.</p><p></p><p>As for the Top Secret documents that were removed, I'll wait to reserve judgment until we see if charges are filed and what those charges are.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SimplyMe, post: 76863054, member: 9588"] Actually, you don't know that -- you make a lot of assumptions there. What we know is that she used a private email server rather than a government email that was provided by the State Department. From what I recall seeing from the FBI, there is no claim that Ms. Clinton sent any emails that were classified (at least at the time she sent them). Instead, the FBI stated that she received emails that included classified information. Next, I'm not aware of any claims by the FBI that she tried to cover up her "crimes." Yes, claimed not to believe she had classified information on her servers -- something that proved to be false -- but so far as we know she actually believed there was no classified information. As for the "deleted" emails, I've stated that was wrong -- she should not have wiped her servers. However, she complied with what was asked for; she was asked for a copy of all her work emails from her time as Secretary of State. So far as I've seen, she turned all those emails -- despite Republican claims to the contrary. The FBI, to ensure they received all the relevant emails, got copies of emails sent from the State Department to Ms. Clinton's email address, as well as from individuals who sent emails to Ms. Clinton (such as the warrant for Rep. Weiner's laptop). The FBI never claimed Ms. Clinton did not turn over all relevant emails, never claimed it was a crime she broke. And as I've shown, this if false. Pres. Trump ordered his AG to set up a DoJ investigation of Ms. Clinton. AG Sessions [URL='https://www.americanoversight.org/sessions-letter']appointed a Federal Prosecutor, at Trump's urging, to re-investigate Ms. Clinton[/URL] for everything she had been accused of (Uranium One, Benghazi, the Clinton Foundation, her emails, etc). The prosecutor's investigation lasted all through the Trump presidency, under multiple AGs, only officially ending (though the investigations ended sooner) when Trump left office; [URL='https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/justice-dept-winds-down-clinton-related-inquiry-once-championed-by-trump-it-found-nothing-of-consequence/2020/01/09/ca83932e-32f9-11ea-a053-dc6d944ba776_story.html']the prosecutor could find nothing to charge[/URL] Hillary with. Which, again, shows your assumptions appear to be false -- a prosecutor spending all that time looking at the prior investigations and re-investigating as necessary and could find nothing to charge her with. If there had been actual crimes found then she would have been prosecuted. First, again, my recollection is that some emails had classified information in them -- not classified documents -- that had been sent to her from subordinates who appear to have thought the email was secure. As I understand it -- and if you can show I'm wrong I'd love to see it -- these were classified at the lowest level, "Confidential" -- with likely even few documents, if any, that were even classified as "Secret." Pres. Trump had information classified as not just "Top Secret" but "Top Secret/SCI." And, no, he appears not to have been the final authority on classification of these documents. More to the point, it would appear these documents were shipped when he was leaving office, when he no longer had any reason to possess these documents -- much less remove them from the White House or any declassification ability for any classified documents. And before you claim that people take out classified information out of government buildings all the time, that is true of "Secret" and below documents -- it rarely happens with "Top Secret/SCI" and if they are removed, they are very securely moved/stored (such as the stereotypical briefcase handcuffed to the person moving it). I'm not changing my position at all. I'm not going to claim if Ms. Clinton should have been charged or not; I do find it was wrong for her to have a private email server and for destroying her server hard drives -- those should have been retained if needed by the FBI. I have to trust that since the Trump AG appointed prosecutor, John Huber, as well as any of Trump's AGs, claim there was nothing to prosecute her that they were telling the truth. As for former Pres. Trump, I'm willing to wait until the FBI/DoJ determine if he should be prosecuted. I do know that it was a crime for him to remove these boxes, even non-classified Presidential records, from the White House and not turn them over to the National Archives. Of course, he shouldn't be prosecuted for that. As for the Top Secret documents that were removed, I'll wait to reserve judgment until we see if charges are filed and what those charges are. [/QUOTE]
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