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[serious];65697889 said:How do you know to make a bonobo an execption? You still aren't answering that central question.
They can't do anything to fire. So they don't belong. They are too stupid.
They can't do anything to fire. So they don't belong. They are too stupid.
[serious];65699313 said:As the video demonstrated, they can make and use fire. They wouldn't be an exception if you proposed system actually worked here. Why are fire using bonobos not human under your system and why are non fire using humans still human under your system?
Chimps and other non human apes have been observed teaching their children human sign language without prompting from people.
What does the chimp say?
Why do you stick on this example so much. It is meaningless. We can teach a chimp to do anything and he would probably learn it. But that is not about chimp. It is about human, the trainer. We can train any animal to do anything.
It is a very inappropriate example/argument.
What does the chimp say?
Why do you stick on this example so much. It is meaningless. We can teach a chimp to do anything and he would probably learn it. But that is not about chimp. It is about human, the trainer. We can train any animal to do anything.
It is a very inappropriate example/argument.
Why do you stick on this example so much. It is meaningless. We can teach a chimp to do anything and he would probably learn it. But that is not about chimp. It is about human, the trainer. We can train any animal to do anything.
It is a very inappropriate example/argument.
[serious];65701567 said:The bonobo study in most familiar with does not formally teach this stuff. They use tools around the bonobos and the bonobos pick up how to use the stuff. This is exactly the same way humans learn most stuff. Also exactly like humans, bonobos than pass on these learned behavior to their children.
So again I ask you, if bonobos are perfectly capable of raising and using fire when exposed to the practice in the same way humans are, how would you know, under your system, that bonobos aren't the human kind?
How do you think we learn to create fire? Instinctually?
If we didn't "train" the next generation of humans, no one would know how to create fire.
I guarantee you that chimp will NOT teach his baby how to use fire.
So I can classify a sparrow as a mammal, if I so prefer?
So what?
Why does that exclude chimps from sharing the same kind with humans?
Ray Comfort asks, 'What observable evidence is there for a change in kinds?' Kinds meaning something like a change from a fish to amphibian, or ferret to dog.
How would you reply?
What does the chimp say?
They are tooooo dumb.
Oh, they taught their baby to sign about 50 words, which, considering the adults only knew about 150 that is pretty good for about a years worth of time. They sign in sort of awkward, but grammatically sensible and following syntax, sentences.
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