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<blockquote data-quote="Econ4every1" data-source="post: 75146159" data-attributes="member: 404044"><p>You misunderstood (and in fairness, I wasn't as clear as I could have been). I didn't say objects don't value, I said objects can't value (verb not noun) or said another way, objects can't do the valuing. A chair has utility, but the chair does not value its own utility, you and I do. A chair is an object we are subjects. The value relationship ALWAYS starts with a subject doing the valuing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree objects have value, my point is that an object can't have value independent of a subject to value it.</p><p></p><p>Imagine a universe where everyone is gone (the reason why is unimportant). What would the value of a chair be in that place?</p><p></p><p>The answer is, it wouldn't have any value.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I didn't say values can't be measured?</p><p></p><p>Can you quote me? I'm not sure what you're referring to.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>How is water valuable if no one, or more specifically, if there are no non-sentient beings to value it.</p><p></p><p>Value can only be measured relative to some desire or need.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Econ4every1, post: 75146159, member: 404044"] You misunderstood (and in fairness, I wasn't as clear as I could have been). I didn't say objects don't value, I said objects can't value (verb not noun) or said another way, objects can't do the valuing. A chair has utility, but the chair does not value its own utility, you and I do. A chair is an object we are subjects. The value relationship ALWAYS starts with a subject doing the valuing. I agree objects have value, my point is that an object can't have value independent of a subject to value it. Imagine a universe where everyone is gone (the reason why is unimportant). What would the value of a chair be in that place? The answer is, it wouldn't have any value. I didn't say values can't be measured? Can you quote me? I'm not sure what you're referring to. Agreed. How is water valuable if no one, or more specifically, if there are no non-sentient beings to value it. Value can only be measured relative to some desire or need. [/QUOTE]
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