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How do you know?Alcohol is banned in the Kingdom of heaven.
How does one get drunk if alcohol is banned?But it will not be needed to experience joy and bliss, nor shall there be the associated sickness that often comes to those who get drunk.
Nyet. No aliens, no Zecharia Sitchin theory; no reptilians...
Watchers, as in those who came down from heaven 200 strong, the B'nai Elohim, or sons of God in Genesis 6 and Book of Enoch.
A Watcher also appears in the book of Daniel, but that one is in Yahweh's service.
Alcohol is banned in the Kingdom of heaven. But it will not be needed to experience joy and bliss, nor shall there be the associated sickness that often comes to those who get drunk.
Why not dismantle Hell then?
That's a new one for me. Which Bible verse is that?According to historic, orthodox Christian teaching, in a matter of speaking He did. We call it the Harrowing of Hell.
-CryptoLutheran
Just like prison. I'll be heading up the pruno concession.Alcohol is banned in the Kingdom of heaven.
I'll lie down and rot. I won't be conscious. I won't exist.But, what shall you do in the end,
The chances of this is next to nill. There is no evidence to suggest the Christian afterlife is anything other than imaginative.if you discover it is all true after all?
Doubling down on what I hate about Christianity will not win me over.That you are indeed a sinner,
I do not need a saviour. I'm an adult, I find my own path through life. I am not a damsel in distress.and in need of a Saviour,
No-one can atone for my mistakes other than me. I cannot just pass on my own responsibilities and accountabilities to anyone else.and that Jesus Christ did in fact die to atone for your sin,
I know the Christians have their scripture and their various interpretations and beliefs, I can't make much sense of it though. It certainly doesn't match reality.and you knew this obviously from reading on this forum, yet refused to believe and rejected so great a salvation?
It's the only type of forgiveness that counts.Forgiving ourselves is fine,
When you forgive others, it does not impact them. They don't need your sanctimonious forgiveness. All forgivness of others gives is relief to the person forgiving from their own hatred and anger towards that person.but forgiving others is better,
Only, it doesn't exist. When a person believes that God has forgiven them, really they have just forgiven themselves.and the forgiveness that comes from God alone is the forgiveness that is best,
Total nonsense.for this forgiveness must be received if we are to be saved, and inherit eternal life.
But if you take it back a few steps from any specific religious belief or god to just a 'Mind' behind what we observe then the odds change in favour of Mind being an intregal part of how the universe, life and reality came to be.Those odds are not as high as the chance that it’s your version of the Christian god being THE creator god of all things. That’s mindblowingly more unlikely than it all coming together absent such divine effort.
How do you have a mind before you have energy, matter, space and time?But if you take it back a few steps from any specific religious belief or god to just a 'Mind' behind what we observe then the odds change in favour of Mind being an intregal part of how the universe, life and reality came to be.
That's a new one for me. Which Bible verse is that?
Romans, 1:18O that the Atheist would quit questioning God, and stop seeking every imaginable excuse to deny Him!
O that the Atheist who has even a miniscule belief that there might be a somewhat intelligent force behind the operations of the Cosmos, hence being somewhat of a Deist, would open their heart to see such utter complexities as the Universe, on down to the smallest known particle, all show plainly the wisdom and knowledge of an intelligent Creator.
O that the Atheist, the Deist, the Unitarian, the Agnostic, all realize there is a Holy Spirit, being part of the Godhead of Father, Son, and Spirit - and that the Holy Spirit is sent into the world to convict of sin, righteousness, and judgment: That the absolute Holiness of God demands the absolute justice of God, because of the absolute love of God, who gave His Son Jesus Christ to pay the penalty for your sin, of which the wages of sin are death!
Question if you may, disbelieve if you will, but none of your surmisings will change the course of God's sovereign will, Who will perform His will despite all your unbelief and questioning. Do not debate with the LORD, for you shall lose!
Thou art a sinner, for you were born in sin, and the only way to be free from the power and the penalty of sin, is to believe upon Jesus Christ, confess your sins to Him, and repent: turn from your sins. For even if you have lived a good moral life by the worlds standards, you are still a sinner, and your denial and unbelief themselves are sin!
O that the Atheist, the Deist, the Unitarian, the Agnostic, come to know the love of God, who is reaching out this time that you might be saved! Get a KJV Bible and begin to read it, and pray mightily for wisdom to receive its truth, that the living Word, who is Jesus Christ our Saviour may awaken your hearts to salvation, that ye die not in your sins and burn in hell: for that is the lot and portion of all unbelievers, and those who embrace sin over the Saviour!
Turn now, for the door is NOW open, and Christ awaits to envelop you with His love, and fill you with His Spirit; for His blood shed on the cross has the power to cleanse you from your sins, and the gift of eternal life shall then be yours. Until you come to Jesus and take Him as the Saviour of your soul, you are pitifully lost, and beneath the dreadful wrath of a Holy God, who is Righteous, and demands Justice, for in unbelief you condemn yourself.
Pray God then, O unbeliever, that He have mercy, and grant you repentance unto life, and saving faith, that ye may believe unto eternal life.
Amen.
I don't know but what is energy, matter, space and time. Fundementally they don't seem to be anything tangible. Fundementally there is no matter but vibtrating energy and it seems at least in our minds time transcends this world.How do you have a mind before you have energy, matter, space and time?
As far as I understand it the conscious mind is an emergent property of the workings of a physical brain.If there is going to be anything before energy, matter, space and time its not going to be these things but something transcendent of the material mechanisms.
Mind seems to be a reasonable candidate as its central to everything we see and do. Science seperated the observer out of the equation as to what makes fundemnetal reality. But I don't think this is possible.
When we do put the observer back in Mind becomes central. The universe is Mind, is consciousness as it is the observer who is creating that reality.
As far as I understand it the conscious mind is an emergent property of the workings of a physical brain.
Even if you had a mind made of nothing, floating in the nothing, what would it think?
It would have no concept of time or things even. There would be no time and so no sequence of events or thinking would be possible. Basically, you wouldn't be able to think things through.
This mind would have any idea of the concept of light, or colour or shape, or temperature, or time. It wouldn't have any idea of the concept of objects, or movement, or life. It wouldn't have any idea about solid, liquid or gas. No concept of mass, inertia, acceleration, gravity, atoms, before vs now vs after.
How would you explain any of these things to a mind that has never seen, never heard, never tasted, never smelt, never felt?
This mind could not learn, because it cannot observer or experience. Given that there is no time, it cannot FIRST learn and THEN apply its new knowledge.
You wouldn't even be able to explain to it, the concept of cause and effect.
The idea of a mind without a physical brain is absurd. The idea of a mind with knowledge without existence and time is insanely absurd.
I am not sure this is the case. I mean they have mapped a lot of the brains ativity correlating to some conscious states but they certainly hav't explained how such experiences can come from what amounts to wires and electrical signals. Its like saying potentially we could wire up a robot to have consciousness.As far as I understand it the conscious mind is an emergent property of the workings of a physical brain.
I don't think a Mind is made of nothing in the sense of 'nothingness' in a material terms. Even material conceptions of nothing are not particles or matter but wavy energy that is fundemental. I am not sure what consciousness is, what form it takes as a field or energy source and is not yet understood.Even if you had a mind made of nothing, floating in the nothing, what would it think?
It would have no concept of time or things even. There would be no time and so no sequence of events or thinking would be possible. Basically, you wouldn't be able to think things through.
If particles, colours (light waves), shapes, temperature or time are just a surface view or reflection perhaps of something more fundemental then it is mind that is creating the concepts of time, objects and colours ect. We know that perception can be warped, we know we can percieve things which are not real. So perhaps this is a glimpse or better still glitch in the matrix of the object world we create.This mind wouldn't have any idea of the concept of light, or colour or shape, or temperature, or time. It wouldn't have any idea of the concept of objects, or movement, or life. It wouldn't have any idea about solid, liquid or gas. No concept of mass, inertia, acceleration, gravity, atoms, before vs now vs after.
Thats the point we cannot explain Mind and consciousness through the material way your just describing because its something that precedes it. Like you said 'we wouldn't even be able to explain things' in that way about consciousness or mind being fundemental.How would you explain any of these things to a mind that has never seen, never heard, never tasted, never smelt, never felt?
This mind could not learn, because it cannot observer or experience. Given that there is no time, it cannot FIRST learn and THEN apply its new knowledge.
You wouldn't even be able to explain to it, the concept of cause and effect.
Not really, we already know that experiences like of colours, of awe and pain are real but cannot be explained by the physical brain. So already we have a category mismatch in explanations that the physical theories are not even in the same paradigm to account for conscious experiences.The idea of a mind without a physical brain is absurd.
No its actually a reasonable and well supported idea that solves a lot of problems that material science cannot overcome. When you think about it knowledge and information are beyond time and space. You can't measure knowledge in any physical way. Yet it is so powerful and able to change reality. That knowledge has always been there and we are just dicovering it.The idea of a mind with knowledge without existence and time is insanely absurd.
It's incredibly intellectually lazy. It solves nothing to just pre-suppose an intelligent mind that just knows everything before anything ever existed.No its actually a reasonable and well supported idea that solves a lot of problems that material science cannot overcome.
You obviously didn't do your research and check out those articles I linked. That is just the tip of the ice-berge of good theories and arguements for Mind and Consciousness being fundemental.It's incredibly intellectually lazy. It solves nothing to just pre-suppose an intelligent mind that just knows everything before anything ever existed.
It is an idea full of holes the size of the observable universe.
Well you've wasted your breath because no where did I mention God or any gods but a well argued and supported case for Mind and consciousness being fundemental.The explanation "God did it" explains nothing. What it does though, it gives a lazy person the excuse not to look for answers, to not discover, through thought and experimentation what can be discovered, what can be inferred, what can be predicted and tested.
If we stopped at "god did it" we never would have discovered how volcanoes work, why they erupt, not because god is angry or displeased.
We would never have discovered why the moon always faces the earth despite the astronomical odds of its rotation being in sync with its orbit. We would never have discovered why stars shine despite the impossible barriers that ought to prevent atoms merging but which quantum tunnelling provides a loop hole.
We would never have understood why creatures are so well suited to their environments.
We would never have created CERN to discover the smallest of smalls, or the JWT to look at the biggest of bigs.
I am very thankful that there are lots of people that do not take "god did it" as the answer and instead seek to kick the tyres of the universe and argue and quibble and inspect and examine and criticise and verify.
Not the Lake of Fire where all the liars, dogs and wizards go?It requires a bit of unpacking. First of all, "hell" doesn't mean "the bad place where people get tortured for eternity", but rather the biblical concept of She'ol or (translated into Greek) Hades--the place of the dead. It's rooted in an idea of a common pit or grave, a place of the dead.
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