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I think you are being literal in a scenario where the word usage isn’t designed to be literal. I also think there’s some confusion on your part between leavening and alcohol/intoxication and how leavening does not determine or cause intoxication.
 
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Note Jesus is careful to say "fruit of the vine" rather than wine in this passage? Yeast is leaven, and leaven in most cases is a type of Sin. The trees along the river with fruits are fresh fruits. You won't have fermentation or decay.
Yeast is sometimes used to depict wickedness, but not always. In Matthew 13 v 33 it symbolises the Kingdom of Heaven. Also if it was sinful.why did God forbid it for only seven days in Deuteronomy 16 v 3?
 
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It's the yeast (leaven) in juice that creates the alcohol. It ferments over time, and the longer the fermentation, the more alcohol, but it reaches a point where it can no longer produce alcohol, the yeast dies, and the mixture turns to vinegar. The yeast doesn't cause intoxication, but it's byproduct, which is actually a waste product, causes intoxication. Yeast produces ethanol and CO2 by consuming the sugars.
 
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I’m aware of how yeast works, I work in a bakery and bakers education. I have forgotten more about yeast than most people will ever know.

Saying leavening is sinful because yeast, if paired with sugar and aided by a microbiome of bacteria, makes something that contains alcohol is like saying that all fruit and vegetables are sinful because, if left to their own devices, they ferment and that fermentation create alcohols which intoxicate. Or ethanol fuel is sinful because that’s the byproduct of yeast with sugar that makes alcohol.

Most leavening doesn’t make alcohol and while most yeast does make an “ol” with its waste while eating, it doesn’t cause people to be intoxicated in most scenarios.

Again, you’re being literal when the passages are metaphorical. The context isn’t “leaven is sinful,” its “give rise to” or “causes” or “gives cause to.” Be aware of what fuels something, not “yeast is bad.”
 
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