Nudes

[Tellyontellyon]

God created man in his own image and created him nude from what I can tell. Indeed Adam and Eve were nude until they knew the difference between good and evil.

So... Questions...

A) After Armageddon when, hopefully, you pass through the perly gates.. will you be confronted by nudity?

B) If nudity is indeed wrong, then why did God create people and leave people in that way... until their own sin led them to realise nudity as wrong?

C) Were Adam and Eve mistaken to consider nudity wrong... and would it please God if Christians were more like some Jain holy-men going about starkers?

 

[ByTheSpirit]

A) No idea, but when I get there I will know. Chances are not likely. Jesus said that people will be as angels in Heaven once they are there. Lots can be read out of that, but I don’t think angels are nude. Could be wrong though…
B) Nudity is wrong because man sinned. It wasn’t wrong before. Sin made it so.
C) No idea was Jain and stalkers are, but no, nudity is still wrong as it leads to sin. Notice, God made Adam and Eve clothing after they sinned to help cover them. Even God help man cover themselves, though He had just made them nude.

 

[trophy33]

Most people are ugly when naked or when showing too much. Please, clothe properly.

 

[eleos1954]

God created man in his own image and created him nude from what I can tell. Indeed Adam and Eve were nude until they knew the difference between good and evil.

So... Questions...

A) After Armageddon when, hopefully, you pass through the perly gates.. will you be confronted by nudity?

B) If nudity is indeed wrong, then why did God create people and leave people in that way... until their own sin led them to realise nudity as wrong?

C) Were Adam and Eve mistaken to consider nudity wrong... and would it please God if Christians were more like some Jain holy-men going about starkers?

In Genesis 2 it says that Adam and Eve were both originally naked, "but they were not ashamed."

We might be naked but we won't be ashamed about it .... it won't be an issue.

 

[SuperCow]

Most people are ugly when naked or when showing too much. Please, clothe properly.

Perfect humans are not ugly. When mankind sinned they started to slowly decay into ugliness.

Genesis 3:25-28 : "And so God saw that it would not be good anymore to look upon mankind after they sinned, so he said to the man and the woman 'Be fruitful and multiply, but because thou hast sinned in my eyes you must cover your body, to hide the shame that will surely befall thee when your children and grandchildren turn away in disgust at your decaying physical form.' And so Eve went off by herself for some time to an empty cave, where she fashioned all sorts of body coverings for herself. And she sorted and arranged them by purpose and by color and by comfort. And she took the finest of the many garments she had stored and put them on, and returned to her husband Adam."

 

[trophy33]

Perfect humans are not ugly. When mankind sinned they started to slowly decay into ugliness.

Genesis 3:25-28 : "And so God saw that it would not be good anymore to look upon mankind after they sinned, so he said to the man and the woman 'Be fruitful and multiply, but because thou hast sinned in my eyes you must cover your body, to hide the shame that will surely befall thee when your children and grandchildren turn away in disgust at your decaying physical form.' And so Eve went off by herself for some time to an empty cave, where she fashioned all sorts of body coverings for herself. And she sorted and arranged them by purpose and by color and by comfort. And she took the finest of the many garments she had stored and put them on, and returned to her husband Adam."

There are no perfect humans.

Also, the Adam and Eve story can be also seen as a symbolic growing up from childhood to adulthood. There are many views about what Genesis means.

 

[renniks]

I don't think it's correct to call the human form ugly.
We should not demean what God created for good.
I think if we are naked in heaven it won't matter at all because all the things that make it awkward or cause temptation here will be no more.

 

[trophy33]

I don't think it's correct to call the human form ugly.
We should not demean what God created for good.

When people feed their bodies in a wrong way and use them in a wrong way, their bodies naturally become decadent, unhealthy and therefore ugly.

Particularly in western countries and on the Standard American Diet (SAD).

I think if we are naked in heaven it won't matter at all because all the things that make it awkward or cause temptation here will be no more.

Thinking that nudism is wrong just because it can tempt somebody is a misunderstanding. Actually, temptation goes away quite quickly, seeing everything all the time. Temptation is not the reason why civilized people clothe.

 

[SuperCow]

There are no perfect humans.

Not anymore. And in history, there have only been three.

Also, the Adam and Eve story can be also seen as a symbolic growing up from childhood to adulthood. There are many views about what Genesis means.

Most of the Bible could be seen as symbolic if you want it to be. Regardless, why would God create a species in his image that was flawed. Jesus was not born with flaws. Adam and Eve were not created with flaws. They brought that on themselves. And Jesus proved that it didn't have to be that way. If he was not crucified, he would still be here today. (Unless he was taken to heaven without experiencing death, which was not his purpose.)

 

[trophy33]

Not anymore. And in history, there have only been three.



Most of the Bible could be seen as symbolic if you want it to be. Regardless, why would God create a species in his image that was flawed. Jesus was not born with flaws. Adam and Eve were not created with flaws. They brought that on themselves. And Jesus proved that it didn't have to be that way. If he was not crucified, he would still be here today. (Unless he was taken to heaven without experiencing death, which was not his purpose.)

Nothing created is perfect, it can never be. Only God is.

 

[Blade]

From what I read no one is going to be naked. You would never see notice it. It would never be on your mind. It was only after the fall did they they see. Now its not as if they were blinded some how. There is no one in heaven right now thats naked. Its only in a sinful fallen world do we have such thoughts.

 

[renniks]

When people feed their bodies in a wrong way and use them in a wrong way, their bodies naturally become decadent, unhealthy and therefore ugly.

Particularly in western countries and on the Standard American Diet (SAD).

Thinking that nudism is wrong just because it can tempt somebody is a misunderstanding. Actually, temptation goes away quite quickly, seeing everything all the time. Temptation is not the reason why civilized people clothe.

Then what is the reason?

Not everyone here is unhealthy BTW. There's a huge fitness fad also.

 

[SuperCow]

I don't think it's correct to call the human form ugly.

He wasn't. He was calling what man turned himself into as ugly.

We should not demean what God created for good.

We can demean what God intended as good, but which man has defiled to make it evil.

I think if we are naked in heaven it won't matter at all because all the things that make it awkward or cause temptation here will be no more.

Some aboriginal tribes in with isolated cultures living in tropical climates wear little to nothing and their level of temptation is no more than ours. (Though I don't know for sure without actually living with them.)

 

[SuperCow]

Nothing created is perfect, it can never be. Only God is.

That depends on what you define as perfect.

 

[BPPLEE]

God created man in his own image and created him nude from what I can tell. Indeed Adam and Eve were nude until they knew the difference between good and evil.

So... Questions...

A) After Armageddon when, hopefully, you pass through the perly gates.. will you be confronted by nudity?

B) If nudity is indeed wrong, then why did God create people and leave people in that way... until their own sin led them to realise nudity as wrong?

C) Were Adam and Eve mistaken to consider nudity wrong... and would it please God if Christians were more like some Jain holy-men going about starkers?

Rev 3:5

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Rev 4:4

And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold

 

[renniks]

Some aboriginal tribes in with isolated cultures living in tropical climates wear little to nothing and their level of temptation is no more than ours. (Though I don't know for sure without actually living with them.)

Well I've seen some of their women so I can understand why.

 

[trophy33]

Then what is the reason?

No matter if we see the Genesis story as literal or symbolic - when Adam and Eve recognized they are naked, they:
a) run towards each other, in the flame of sexual temptation
or:
b) run away to hide and to cover themselves

When some exhibitionist exposes himself in a public place, are women running to him in a temptation or quickly walking away in fear/disgust?

After thinking about it, you will probably see the real reasons for clothing...

 

[Tellyontellyon]

Perhaps it's a little bit like this:

"Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it.”

That a new innocence comes about and then nudity may not be something understood as an adult mortal would understand it.

Though, the white clothing mentioned in Revelations may be an indication... But that is what is happening at that time... It doesn't say what life will be like in the New Jerusalem?

..........

This discussion has raised other, somewhat medieval questions: Do angels have genitals anyhow? Will the heavenly humans have sex organs/physical differences?

Jesus says somewhere that we are not going to have husbands and wives in heaven... so sex is just not going to be a thing anymore... it won't have any relevance.

 

[ViaCrucis]

God created man in his own image and created him nude from what I can tell. Indeed Adam and Eve were nude until they knew the difference between good and evil.

So... Questions...

A) After Armageddon when, hopefully, you pass through the perly gates.. will you be confronted by nudity?

B) If nudity is indeed wrong, then why did God create people and leave people in that way... until their own sin led them to realise nudity as wrong?

C) Were Adam and Eve mistaken to consider nudity wrong... and would it please God if Christians were more like some Jain holy-men going about starkers?

Nudity isn't wrong. There are plenty of cultures where nudity, or at least exposing areas of the body which might be considered scandalous in western society, where such is the norm--that's not sinful.

In the culture of the middle east nudity was seen as shameful, so it makes sense in Genesis to speak of Adam and Eve, once sin entered the picture, to be ashamed of their nakedness. The shame isn't that they were naked, but that they were now sinners. They wanted to hide from God.

Culture determines the appropriateness of such things, not divine commandment. And culture varies by time and location. It used to be unspeakable for a woman to bare her exposed ankle in western societies, but today nobody blinks an eye. It's not sinful to show an ankle, though cultural appropriateness can and often does play a role in how we relate to one another. That is, it comes down to respect, specifically respecting our neighbors. I don't wear trousers in public because being pantless is itself sinful, but because exposing myself would be disrespectful to my neighbors. The same reason I didn't cuss in front of my grandmother.

Will people wear clothes after the resurrection of the body? How many angels can dance on the head of a needle? Which is to say nobody can say and it doesn't matter.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Sketcher]

A) After Armageddon when, hopefully, you pass through the perly gates.. will you be confronted by nudity?

I don't expect to be.

B) If nudity is indeed wrong, then why did God create people and leave people in that way... until their own sin led them to realise nudity as wrong?

Nudity isn't wrong in the right context.

C) Were Adam and Eve mistaken to consider nudity wrong... and would it please God if Christians were more like some Jain holy-men going about starkers?

Their mistake was eating the fruit.

God sees us anyway, no bonus points for showing it off to the rest of the world.