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Now what???????????? attempt no.3

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Once I asked god to make me a humble man, and if you've read any of my posts, that probably not how you would describe me, despite some really good efforts from God. Although, now (the last few years) I think he's finally got my pride and self righteousness under the right button.. and it keeps me seriously at bay... Although I feel like I'm about to be chrushed most of the time.

Background:
I met the girl of my dreams for the first time about 5 years ago in an angry fit after coming off another bad relationship... She always said: "When I met him I knew he was the one" Well, it took a couple of Dates to convince me, but after I made my desision to love her I fell in love. Even after the many hardships we've endured. (which is the reason I'm writing)
It started a few months after we started dating. I got a phone call from her mother, saying that she was brought to the hospital, and the paramedics had to revive her acouple of times. So with no more information than that I hop into my junker and headed off to the hospital. I got there and was met by the grimaces of her immediately family (mom, dad, brother) for the first time, and no one would tell me what was going on except that she was ok and wanted to talk to me... so, I politely sat there quietly amidst various stares and corner of the eye leers...
after what must have been an hour, then finally I was told I could see her. when I arrived to her curtain she was in tears and it look like she had been crying for a while.. So after a breif hug "her dad was there" I asked what the **** was going on? and what's with all the seceretcy? She looked at me for a while and told me that the reason she was brought there was because she over dosed (OD'ed) from too much heroin.....
As I stood there blankly as what I can only describe as a scene from a movie, I didn't know what to say.. I didn't know what to do.... So after I woke from my daze I relized I was asking basic damage asessment questions like: how much how long, why now, who supplied you.. that sort of thing... and kinda from there the rest of the night was a blur. but basically. she was a user since she was 19 is was 27 at the time. she had been clean for nearly a year when she met me, and the reason why? well she met a couple of friends after work when she was sitting outside the doctors office where she work, and was waiting for her mom to pick her up. (I was supposed to but I had to prove to the guys I wasn't whipped already, and i played basketball with them...which was what I was doing when I got the call)...

to sum up the next two years I think we had one or two incidents, and then I talked it over with her mother and we both decided to get her out of that neighborhood and move her to my house 20 miles away. (in attempt to get her out of a bad environment.. wasn't really a bad neighborhood just alot of bad people) We might of had one other incident ("incidents" aren't trips to the hospital but getting caught by me or mom using) and that was supposed to be because of the Novocaine on the 4000 dollars worth of dental reconstruction she went thru before the wedding (not hill billy teeth but not perfect either ) then we got married, and man did we have an unforgettable honey moon!!! we went on a cruise thru the cara-be-an for a week.. (just as Iraq-ey freedom started) and there was time, I wish I was there, instead of my honeymoon.. we fought 70% of the time we were together and awake.. She drank more "Drinks" in a night that I think I did on the entire trip. Wow! what an awsome thing to learn about your bride on the 3 or 4th night you were together. I don't want to go into a bunch of negative details.. but let's just say it wasn't quite what i expected..
when we got home she went to see her mom and came home the "girl" i fell in love with. After a couple of weeks I found out she was using again... not really again, but for the whole time.

What is the whole time? i'm not sure exactly, but I do know she was using when I thought she was clean. And to those of you who haven't been or even have been exposed to this drug or others like it "drink as well" may not understand how you can know someone for 2 years and not know if there using. Everything is backwards. when she is well acts normally goes to work on time comes home talks about her day goes to church is involved in activities and such.. that's when she's "high" When she sleeps restlessly, can't sleep at all "Without meds" can't get up in the morning, doesn't want to be apart of anything, has a hard time connecting, or even talking.. that's when she's clean... So the girl I knew for a year and was engaged for a year was a shell worn by this drug.
Well, after that we "Family and I" put her into rehab for 28 days.. "2 or 3 months after our wedding" we spent another 6 or seven months trying to get to know each other again (She was clean the whole time) It was very difficult for me and her...(You know what paul said should be the only reason we should get married right?? Well, that's why I did!) and evedently that's not a priority or even one of the 12 steps.. (If not for the time we spent together before we were married I would seriously be devastated in this relationship.. I know what scripture says and I'm not advocating it at all. really that just become a side issue...

the main issue is that when she laps into her drug use she's....pawned everything we owned from under my nose, she's devoted entire paychecks for months at a time, she's mislead me into thinking we were helping support her mom and brother at one time or another (they thought they were doing the same for us) another long story short she's put this drug first in her life many many times in the two years we've been married and sometimes it's months before i catch her and others weeks but no matter the help (All of it meetings sponcers, consulers, elders from church, friends, family,addiction specialist, marriage counselors... just all of it) doesn't work.. right now we are seeing a marriage counselor, a regular christian conslor and addiction conslor, and a MD who specializes in addictions. all with out medical insurance...
I thought it was all worth it because we've been clean since the first of the year, and then tuesday she confess to me she bought and used monday....

So I say again... Now what????????????

She is making progress, she came to me but what do we do now?

Before you kind hearted souls reply with a ton of scripture just know that we both know what she is doing is wrong that's not in dispute, and you and i know that scriptures arn't majic spells you can't just leave them on a door step to chase off "demons", and We don't need a bunch of links to treatment facilities in your area or ours we can't afford another 15,000 dollar waist of time anyway. not to be proud in my greatest moment of weakness, but that is the typical response to someone who wants to do something but has no life experience to back it up.. I've been on this road nearly 5 years and I'm getting tired of separating wheat and weeds. We've spend a fortune on bad/unfruitful seed and don't want anymore.So if you want to do something and really don't know what or if your tempted to unload your concordance... just take your effort and apply it in prayer... not that I hate what the bible says, I just know that it is what you say on my behalf to the father will bear more fruit "the prayers of the righteous" than another collection of "inspirational" scripture.
Thanks and god bless
 

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I feel your pain guy.

My wife of 13 years was using cocaine for quite a while and I had no clue.
Soon as she stopped in 95 we started having a lot of marital problems.

Of course, I could always work 14 hour days and pretend nothing was really going on.
Eventually things got the best of her and she cheated and gave me a way out of the nightmare that marriage can be.
 
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chilibowl said:
She is making progress, she came to me but what do we do now?
chilibowl said:
Before you kind hearted souls reply with a ton of scripture just know that we both know what she is doing is wrong that's not in dispute, and you and i know that scriptures arn't majic spells you can't just leave them on a door step to chase off "demons", and We don't need a bunch of links to treatment facilities in your area or ours we can't afford another 15,000 dollar waist of time anyway. not to be proud in my greatest moment of weakness, but that is the typical response to someone who wants to do something but has no life experience to back it up.. I've been on this road nearly 5 years and I'm getting tired of separating wheat and weeds. We've spend a fortune on bad/unfruitful seed and don't want anymore.So if you want to do something and really don't know what or if your tempted to unload your concordance... just take your effort and apply it in prayer... not that I hate what the bible says, I just know that it is what you say on my behalf to the father will bear more fruit "the prayers of the righteous" than another collection of "inspirational" scripture.
Thanks and god bless


What to say? You don't want advice from the Bible and I'd be just another with "no life experience to back it up". I'll pray. I hope you get the answer you're wanting from someone.
 
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chilibowl said:
Once I asked god to make me a humble man, and if you've read any of my posts, that probably not how you would describe me, despite some really good efforts from God. Although, now (the last few years) I think he's finally got my pride and self righteousness under the right button.. and it keeps me seriously at bay... Although I feel like I'm about to be chrushed most of the time.

Background:
I met the girl of my dreams for the first time about 5 years ago in an angry fit after coming off another bad relationship... She always said: "When I met him I knew he was the one" Well, it took a couple of Dates to convince me, but after I made my desision to love her I fell in love. Even after the many hardships we've endured. (which is the reason I'm writing)
It started a few months after we started dating. I got a phone call from her mother, saying that she was brought to the hospital, and the paramedics had to revive her acouple of times. So with no more information than that I hop into my junker and headed off to the hospital. I got there and was met by the grimaces of her immediately family (mom, dad, brother) for the first time, and no one would tell me what was going on except that she was ok and wanted to talk to me... so, I politely sat there quietly amidst various stares and corner of the eye leers...
after what must have been an hour, then finally I was told I could see her. when I arrived to her curtain she was in tears and it look like she had been crying for a while.. So after a breif hug "her dad was there" I asked what the **** was going on? and what's with all the seceretcy? She looked at me for a while and told me that the reason she was brought there was because she over dosed (OD'ed) from too much heroin.....
As I stood there blankly as what I can only describe as a scene from a movie, I didn't know what to say.. I didn't know what to do.... So after I woke from my daze I relized I was asking basic damage asessment questions like: how much how long, why now, who supplied you.. that sort of thing... and kinda from there the rest of the night was a blur. but basically. she was a user since she was 19 is was 27 at the time. she had been clean for nearly a year when she met me, and the reason why? well she met a couple of friends after work when she was sitting outside the doctors office where she work, and was waiting for her mom to pick her up. (I was supposed to but I had to prove to the guys I wasn't whipped already, and i played basketball with them...which was what I was doing when I got the call)...

to sum up the next two years I think we had one or two incidents, and then I talked it over with her mother and we both decided to get her out of that neighborhood and move her to my house 20 miles away. (in attempt to get her out of a bad environment.. wasn't really a bad neighborhood just alot of bad people) We might of had one other incident ("incidents" aren't trips to the hospital but getting caught by me or mom using) and that was supposed to be because of the Novocaine on the 4000 dollars worth of dental reconstruction she went thru before the wedding (not hill billy teeth but not perfect either ) then we got married, and man did we have an unforgettable honey moon!!! we went on a cruise thru the cara-be-an for a week.. (just as Iraq-ey freedom started) and there was time, I wish I was there, instead of my honeymoon.. we fought 70% of the time we were together and awake.. She drank more "Drinks" in a night that I think I did on the entire trip. Wow! what an awsome thing to learn about your bride on the 3 or 4th night you were together. I don't want to go into a bunch of negative details.. but let's just say it wasn't quite what i expected..
when we got home she went to see her mom and came home the "girl" i fell in love with. After a couple of weeks I found out she was using again... not really again, but for the whole time.

What is the whole time? i'm not sure exactly, but I do know she was using when I thought she was clean. And to those of you who haven't been or even have been exposed to this drug or others like it "drink as well" may not understand how you can know someone for 2 years and not know if there using. Everything is backwards. when she is well acts normally goes to work on time comes home talks about her day goes to church is involved in activities and such.. that's when she's "high" When she sleeps restlessly, can't sleep at all "Without meds" can't get up in the morning, doesn't want to be apart of anything, has a hard time connecting, or even talking.. that's when she's clean... So the girl I knew for a year and was engaged for a year was a shell worn by this drug.
Well, after that we "Family and I" put her into rehab for 28 days.. "2 or 3 months after our wedding" we spent another 6 or seven months trying to get to know each other again (She was clean the whole time) It was very difficult for me and her...(You know what paul said should be the only reason we should get married right?? Well, that's why I did!) and evedently that's not a priority or even one of the 12 steps.. (If not for the time we spent together before we were married I would seriously be devastated in this relationship.. I know what scripture says and I'm not advocating it at all. really that just become a side issue...

the main issue is that when she laps into her drug use she's....pawned everything we owned from under my nose, she's devoted entire paychecks for months at a time, she's mislead me into thinking we were helping support her mom and brother at one time or another (they thought they were doing the same for us) another long story short she's put this drug first in her life many many times in the two years we've been married and sometimes it's months before i catch her and others weeks but no matter the help (All of it meetings sponcers, consulers, elders from church, friends, family,addiction specialist, marriage counselors... just all of it) doesn't work.. right now we are seeing a marriage counselor, a regular christian conslor and addiction conslor, and a MD who specializes in addictions. all with out medical insurance...
I thought it was all worth it because we've been clean since the first of the year, and then tuesday she confess to me she bought and used monday....

So I say again... Now what????????????

She is making progress, she came to me but what do we do now?

Before you kind hearted souls reply with a ton of scripture just know that we both know what she is doing is wrong that's not in dispute, and you and i know that scriptures arn't majic spells you can't just leave them on a door step to chase off "demons", and We don't need a bunch of links to treatment facilities in your area or ours we can't afford another 15,000 dollar waist of time anyway. not to be proud in my greatest moment of weakness, but that is the typical response to someone who wants to do something but has no life experience to back it up.. I've been on this road nearly 5 years and I'm getting tired of separating wheat and weeds. We've spend a fortune on bad/unfruitful seed and don't want anymore.So if you want to do something and really don't know what or if your tempted to unload your concordance... just take your effort and apply it in prayer... not that I hate what the bible says, I just know that it is what you say on my behalf to the father will bear more fruit "the prayers of the righteous" than another collection of "inspirational" scripture.
Thanks and god bless
man,you must love this woman,that's all I can say.
Praying for you ,your wife and your situation.
 
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chilibowl said:
the main issue is that when she laps into her drug use she's....pawned everything we owned from under my nose, she's devoted entire paychecks for months at a time, she's mislead me into thinking we were helping support her mom and brother at one time or another (they thought they were doing the same for us) another long story short she's put this drug first in her life many many times in the two years we've been married and sometimes it's months before i catch her and others weeks but no matter the help (All of it meetings sponcers, consulers, elders from church, friends, family,addiction specialist, marriage counselors... just all of it) doesn't work.. right now we are seeing a marriage counselor, a regular christian conslor and addiction conslor, and a MD who specializes in addictions. all with out medical insurance...
I thought it was all worth it because we've been clean since the first of the year, and then tuesday she confess to me she bought and used monday....

So I say again... Now what????????????

She is making progress, she came to me but what do we do now?
I agree with you. Scriptures are not going to help your wife when you have just about tried everything to fix her drug addiction problem. This is a personal spiritual battle within herself that only she can fight to conquer. The rest of her family and you are left feeling helpless and emotionally and financially exhausted (to say the least). I've never experienced what you've gone through but I know that there comes a time when you just have to let go and let God. You and her family have gone well "above and beyond" to help her deal with the addiction. For your own peace of mind and spiritual walk, I’m wondering if it would be a good idea for you to temporarily separate from her? Maybe have a serious heart to heart talk and let her know that you love her but you do not want to live like this anymore?

Her drug addiction and lying (misleading you as you stated) are serious issues that will have (if not already) negative consequences and repercussions to your marriage. I think she will need to first get her drug addiction under control before working out any marital problems. Deal with one thing at a time. Too many things to work on at one time might overwhelm her. I don't know what else to say except that you need to take care of yourself and practice "tough love" with her...meaning stand firm on your decisions and don't back down. Let her know that she needs to get help and she will have to make a conscious decision on her own to turn away from sinning no more. Unfortunately, sometimes people learn the hard way and end up completely devastated and broken to the point to where they fall to their knees before finally reaching up for God. It may be that case in your wife's situation.

Like you said, prayer is the most powerful thing all of us can do to help you. I will pray that God gives you strength, comfort, patience and wisdom to deal with your situation. Patience is especially needed because it will be a long road to recovery for her. Not only does she need to heal from her addiction, but to also heal her marriage and family. Keep the faith. God bless you. :angel:
 
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CB - praying for you, man.

That's about all I can think of to help. Of course I'd love to have some wise words for you that'd fix it right up... :sigh:

Oh, just one thing... stay in God, eh? Make sure you're reading the bible, praying, applying what you read to your life... just growing as a person, spiritually and emotionally. Sometimes that's about all you can do, just work on yourself and your relationship with your creator.
 
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:sigh: . Sorry to hear this. Right now the best thing you can do for her is take care of yourself. During a time like this, you may be so focused on her, that you let your own needs go. Sounds silly, but--eat right, rest well, stay focused in God. Without those acts, you will lose your physical/spiritual strength.

Maybe see if there is an NA (Narcotics anonumous) in your area. If she won't go, you can. You may derive a cup overflowing with support and advice from people who have been right where you are. Any AA place should be able to tell you how to get ahold of an NA meeting time/place.
 
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Thank you for all of your prayers and responces, I've truly been bless with such an out pouring of community from my unknown family. thank you and please continue with your prayers and support..

heartsoul,
Seperation is a biblical principal we have discussed. but I don't know how "right" it would be if I were to seperate while she's still making the effort and continues to grow in recovery, even after a relaps... that's a question I can seem to get a sattisfactory answer with.. This normally would be a no brainer if she continued to use and deceive but she' improving "Seemingly" anyway... so pray for direction and if you have some lets hear it.
 
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Do you think that she might have some kind of medical or mental disorder that is causing her to turn to drugs or is it all from bad up bringing? I don't think it's fair for you to have to be the one to go through all of this with her untill she's better, but it sounds like she has no one elce that is mentally strong enough to help her. I was told growing up that life is not fair. God has brought you into her life she needs you. Do you get help for yourself to deal with this? I hate to say this but she can't use in jail. Well at least I hope not. If you can't afford to keep her in rehab maybe she needs to be turned in for her use. Some people have to learn the hard way. It's better for her than OD-ing. If she does not have a criminal record maybe she would go into a camp type of jail. I don't know, but it's worth finding out, but you probally already know and have thought of that. 28 day rehab is not that long she needs a lot longer. My brother is in a sober free living arangement and they were using there so he moved to a different one to stay clean. My other brother did heavy drugs and shot himself in the head. Luckly I got away from home at an early age and learned form looking at others bad examples. I would have her live in a drug free housing where she can get treatment for quite awhile and if she uses again back to the same treatment or a better one. If you can't aford it I would suggest Jail. She may hate you for it at first, but you could be saving her life. You are a remarkable person to deal with this and not just walk away. You are standing up to your responsibilities as a husband. God bless you.
 
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Or instead of her going to jail you can find out who's supplying her and turn them in. Using the police is the right way to go if you know who they are. In our area, all the police need is a tip that drugs are being sold out of a house or car and they start paying close attention to that person. Cut off the supply at the source. That includes her friends if they are supplying her. Nobody has to know if you were involved.

Addiction is a hard thing to beat. I absolutely cannot understand addiction because I don't have an addictive personality. All I do know is what I've heard from my best friend from many years ago who was addicted to cocaine and heroine for a time before I met him. Addicts need constant support and tough love. Separating may drive her deeper into her need for drugs, so it would be wise to approach a counselor before thinking or even talking about separating. Depression often accompanies addiction, and they can sink to the bottom of that barrell pretty quickly. In the case of my best friend - a good guy who loved his wife and kids like you wouldn't believe -- his Christian wife with a perfectionist attitude decided she didn't want to put up with him drinking alchohol occasionally and she seperated to show her displeasure. It was his last battle, he was doing well - but suddenly his support network was fractured, and what he valued most in life was no longer there every day. He self destructed. I've searched for him occasionally, but nobody knows where he is anymore.

May God continue to soften your heart and heal your wife. You CAN make it through this. Don't give up. Ask Jesus to bring the right people into your lives, and trust in the path He lays out for you. Sometimes things don't always make sense, but if the Holy Spirit nudges you to do something, do it.
 
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CLN, I don't that she has any kind of disorder via her doctors and consolure, I do think that she has pain that she avoiding inher life, but cause herion is like achocol in that it makes you numb.. but alot number and for alot longer, we are working with the same consolor for a while and she thinks it could have been from a poor relationship with her father (after divorce) or some other heart wrenching things she suffered thru... we're tring to work all that out now and progress is very slow.A

As far as jail is concerned I thought of that till we looked into some of the places they send you "half way houses" they are horrid here, Rape and open drug use is not something that rarly happens. in one place someone she knew was there and told us that one of the "orderlies" sold drugs to the residents.. plus the center for drug free living (the orgnazition the has planed counties responce chart) has deemed my wife in her current state "stable/not currently using" and because we live above poverity level/sleeping in buses we would have to pay for "The professional treatment we received"...So that's not really an option (8,000 to 10,000) dollars for the possiablity for being raped and or being placed in a county crack house... They Don't care "This is the best treatment that the funds will allow"

Southern Cross,

Her dealer knows she trying to get better and has told her if he gets any knocks on the door then the next time he see her she gets a bullit in the head.. nice people huh? plus there are those in her meetings that supply.. there have been acouple who have been taken away, but the point is it will always be there..

Yitzchak,

As I said I've spent many years in this situation and have had many blessings and gifts already bestowed upond me, I also have spirit inspired general direction, the one thing I lack now is true christian mentorship. I've given myself and this situation to god in full and he has provided me with all the things the body of christ can not, strenth, long suffering, love, pacients, all of the gifts promised by him, now that he has pepaired me for battle I search for a general to direct my fight, because the path and enmey are both unfamiliar.

Thank you all for your posts and time!

like I've said in the past I don't plan on leaving any time soon, but I would like to hear some more possiable options
 
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