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[OldWiseGuy]

...aren't most vaccines the same thing?

Prince Charles under fire for becoming patron of homeopathy body

 

[trophy33]

...aren't most vaccines the same thing?

Prince Charles under fire for becoming patron of homeopathy body

No, because vaccination is made of weak viruses so that our immune system will make antigens and is prepared when the strong viruse comes.

Homeopathy does not work with viruses but with plants, chemical elements etc and there is no system or way of how it should help fighting diseases (cancer, viruses etc).

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, because vaccination is made of weak viruses so that our immune system will make antigens and is prepared when the strong viruse comes.

Homeopathy does not work with viruses but with plants, chemical elements etc and there is no system or way of how it should help fighting diseases (cancer, viruses etc).

But the theory and practice are the same aren't they? And if someone dies because of it's ineffectiveness that's on them as a legitimate treatment was known and available.

 

[trophy33]

But the theory and practice are the same aren't they? And if someone dies because of it's ineffectiveness that's on them as a legitimate treatment was known and available.

No, there is no working or proved theory behind homeopathy. There is no system on which it should work. Immune system accomodates to viruses, this is proved, so there is the theory for vaccination.

 

[archer75]

But the theory and practice are the same aren't they? And if someone dies because of it's ineffectiveness that's on them as a legitimate treatment was known and available.

Here's the difference.

The theory and practice of homeopathy are fake.

Vaccines work, mostly.

End of story. Period. Forever.

 

[expos4ever]

As others have pointed out:

Homeopathy doesn’t work.
Vaccines do.

In the best of worlds, we would wisely accept the evidence and dispense with homeopathy while embracing vaccines.

Unfortunately, we live in a world of conspiracy thinking, tribalism, and scientific illiteracy.

 

[pitabread]

Homeopathic remedies are essentially just placebos. There are no active medical ingredients in them.

 

[Radagast]

No, because vaccination is made of weak viruses

Weak viruses, but lots of them (so that they generate an immune response).

Homeopathic medicine is just water.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

Homeopathy in ER

 

[JacobKStarkey]

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[essentialsaltes]

...aren't most vaccines the same thing?

No, because vaccines have something in them, and traditional dilution-based homeopathy products have nothing in them.

(I have seen some 'homeopathic' remedies that are more like naturopathic remedies: herbal tinctures and whatever. They have something in them, but it is still not at all like a vaccine.)

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Unfortunately, we live in a world of conspiracy thinking, tribalism, and scientific illiteracy.

Perhaps we should teach the 'science' of health instead of hiding it away from the public. Of course sickness is more profitable generally than is health, so there's that.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, there is no working or proved theory behind homeopathy. There is no system on which it should work. Immune system accomodates to viruses, this is proved, so there is the theory for vaccination.

Sorry, I didn't mean "theory" in the scientific sense.

 

[pitabread]

Perhaps we should teach the 'science' of health instead of hiding it away from the public.

Better science education is something that educators and scientists have been fighting for for decades. Unfortunately, it's various anti-science movements (e.g. anti-vaxxers, creationists, climate change denialists, etc) that keep fighting it.

Of course sickness is more profitable generally than is health, so there's that.

This is primarily a regulatory issue especially in America. The entire health system (insurance, medicine, etc) is for profit. This could change but you have powerful lobbies fighting against it. Plus Americans keep voting against their best interests in this regard.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Better science education is something that educators and scientists have been fighting for for decades. Unfortunately, it's various anti-science movements (e.g. anti-vaxxers, creationists, climate change denialists, etc) that keep fighting it.

They could still teach good health couldn't they? There's nothing controversial about that.

Nurse to patient's relative: "Your relative is at deaths door, but the doctor is trying to pull him through."

 

[pitabread]

They could still teach good health couldn't they? There's nothing controversial about that.

Part of good health involves advocating for modern medicine and treatments. There are still segments of the population that resist that. Anti-vaxxers are a prime example.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Part of good health involves advocating for modern medicine and treatments. There are still segments of the population that resist that. Anti-vaxxers are a prime example.

That's a side issue.

 

[pitabread]

That's a side issue.

No it's not a side issue. Just look at the effects of measles outbreaks as a result of anti-vaxx nonsense. It's a primary health issue in society currently.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No it's not a side issue. Just look at the effects of measles outbreaks as a result of anti-vaxx nonsense. It's a primary health issue in society currently.

It's the headline grabbing "soup-of-the-day" issue, and near the bottom of the list of health problems.

 

[pitabread]

It's the headline grabbing "soup-of-the-day" issue, and near the bottom of the list of health problems.

No, it really isn't. If you want a primary example of how lack of vaccination can effect a population just take a look at what happened in Madagascar during their measles outbreak. Over a thousand people died from an otherwise preventable disease.

If anti-vaxxers had their way, the same thing could be happening in your country.