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Are you familiar with the phrase 'Be ye holy as I am holy.'
Where do you find it in Scripture?
Why would God tell Israel not to eat certain animals said to be unclean, but Noah was given permission to eat all meats?
AT
Steve,Are you familiar with the phrase 'Be ye holy as I am holy.'
Where do you find it in Scripture?
He wasn't... there were seven of all the clean animals that went onto the ark and two of all the rest showing that the health laws were in place pre-flood.
Holy in what way?
AT
Chapter and verse showing Noah was not aloud to eat the unclean animals after the flood.
AT
I dont think God will judge a person for eating pig,i think its Gods way of advising whats good or bad for our bodies.
Luckey for me i choose to be vegetaian so i know im not eating anything that will harm my temple
My personal view on that is that God has given us some wise advise not to eat certain meat because its unhealthy,especially the pig.
Thats the way I see it too. The Lord made us and therefore He knows what He made that is good for us to eat.
If the manufacturer of your car said to only put certain things in to ensure it's optimum operation and you chose to trust your own wisdom and put different spec'd fluids, you would more than likely harm the vehicle.
I also agree that it is not salvational but a choice to honour Him by treating my body the best I can. Same reason why I no longer smoke or drink... not good for my temple.
I agree.
How lucky for you!
Given us?
What does the phrase "nothing is unclean" mean to you (as it is used in Romans 14)?
BFA
Two different Greek roots words are translated as 'unclean' in the NT. One is 'koine' and the other is 'akathartos.'
In the Greek OT (Septuagint) the word that is chosen for prohibited foods in Leviticus 11 is 'akathartos.'
The word Paul uses in Romans 14 is not 'akathartos', but 'koine.' What goes on here?
'Koine' is used for foods that were prohibited by legal enactment, even though they would have fallen into the category of permitted foods in the Law. Thus, Gentile wine was prohibited to Jews because it was assumed that a portion of that wine had been offered to pagan gods. It became 'koine', sometimes translated as 'unclean', but also translated as 'common' in the NT.
The same sort of restriction applied to cattle slaughtered by a Gentile. Though beef was permitted, it was assumed that the animal had been offered to a pagan god, thus it too became 'koine.'
Pharisees also held that permitted foods could become 'common' by contact with unclean items.
The meaning of words is also a function of the context. Here, we find:
(1) It is the man whose faith is weak who says "eat only vegetables." The faith of other men allows them to eat anything.BFA
(2) Whoever eats meat "does so to the Lord."
(3) These are "disputable matters."
This one should be easier to answer. You would generally not impose any standards except that they have turned to Christ as their Lord and saviour. People are more likely to be baptised just after believing rather than after demonstrating abstinence from 'unholy activities'....
I. Would you support the baptism of a person who:1. Smokes?...
2. Drinks alcohol?
3. Eats pork?
....II. Would you support the nomination of a church member for the position of "DEACON" if you knew that person:1. Smokes?If not, then it appears that this issue might run deeper than "personal choice."
2. Drinks alcohol?
3. Eats pork?
BFA
This raises a couple of intriguing questions in my mind.
I. Would you support the baptism of a person who:
1. Smokes?II. Would you support the nomination of a church member for the position of "DEACON" if you knew that person:
2. Drinks alcohol?
3. Eats pork?
1. Smokes?If not, then it appears that this issue might run deeper than "personal choice."
2. Drinks alcohol?
3. Eats pork?
BFA
What witness to the world is there of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit if a church is full of people that smoke, drink and contrary to their doctrine, eat unclean foods?
Doesn't make us very peculiar, does it?
This one should be easier to answer. You would generally not impose any standards except that they have turned to Christ as their Lord and saviour. People are more likely to be baptised just after believing rather than after demonstrating abstinence from 'unholy activities'.
This would be contentious for churches that are not explicit in their doctrines about these matters. For those that are explicit then surely their doctrine should dictate. Whether their doctrine is scripturally correct or not of course is another matter.
This can only be on philosophical grounds. If I were to walk into an S.D.A sermon and announce after the sharing that I have believed and want to be baptised, there is no way that they'd know whether I'm going to drink or smoke afterwards so they can't really (using their doctrine) deny me baptism.And yet the SDA denomination refuses to baptise people based on such criteria.
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Personally, I don't believe that churches have the authority to become the conscience of their membership on matters not expressly prohibited by Scripture.
BFA
This can only be on philosophical grounds. If I were to walk into an S.D.A sermon and announce after the sharing that I have believed and want to be baptised, there is no way that they'd know whether I'm going to drink or smoke afterwards so they can't really (using their doctrine) deny me baptism.
But your question was on nomination of a church leader, so what the church has agreed should take precedence.
A church should be able to set (in agreement with the Holy Spirit) principles that help non disruptive operation the same way as the church at Jerusalem did.
My personal view on that is that God has given us some wise advise not to eat certain meat because its unhealthy,especially the pig.I dont think God will judge a person for eating pig,i think its Gods way of advising whats good or bad for our bodies.I dont think its a sin that will keep a person out of heaven though.Luckey for me i choose to be vegetaian so i know im not eating anything that will harm my temple,and the bible says God wants us to keep our bodies healthy because we are te temple of the holy spirit .
This passage talks about not accepting each other even if we don't worship exactly the way others would like.
This is about members of the early church that were debating if it was a sin to eat meat from animals that had been sacrificed to idols.
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