Not the only climate change chart you need to see...

Oafman · Dec 21, 2015

An entertaining episode from our friends in denial. Last week, the conservative magazine National Review tweeted the following chart:

Marvel at the scale they've chosen for the Y axis! From 0'F to 110'F, just in case the average global temperature had risen or plummeted by 50'F in the last 2 centuries.

Basically, they've zoomed out to the point that it becomes very hard to see the increase, and then implied that there isn't an increase!

It's such a ridiculous and pathetic attempt to misinterpret data, you just couldn't make it up. Well, that's unless you were yet another conservative magazine in the pocket of the oil industry (The current director of the National Review is Jeff Sandefer, President of the Texas-based energy investment firm Sandefer Capital.)

A helpful Twitter user replied with a zoomed in version, for those with less than perfect eyesight:

JackRT · Dec 21, 2015

There are liars, there are damn liars and then there are statisticians.

Dr GS Hurd · Dec 22, 2015

JackRT said:
There are liars, there are damn liars and then there are statisticians.

And there are Republican Oil company executives who surpass all known liars other than televangelists.

RickG · Dec 22, 2015

Oafman said:
An entertaining episode from our friends in denial. Last week, the conservative magazine National Review tweeted the following chart:

Marvel at the scale they've chosen for the Y axis! From 0'F to 110'F, just in case the average global temperature had risen or plummeted by 50'F in the last 2 centuries.

Basically, they've zoomed out to the point that it becomes very hard to see the increase, and then implied that there isn't an increase!

Quite interesting. Actually the problem with it is only the scale and the understanding of how a small GAT makes a huge difference in climate. Also missing is the last 5 years.

OldWiseGuy · Dec 26, 2015

Didn't post this, unable to delete it.

OldWiseGuy · Dec 26, 2015

Climate change is just another interesting and entertaining diversion for most people, like a tv show. I have watched mother deer go on alert. Their fawns gauge the danger by watching their mother's reaction as they often don't comprehend the threat themselves. I don't see our 'mother' running off with tail raised, therefore I'll just keep chomping these acorns.

Goonie · Dec 26, 2015

OldWiseGuy said:
Climate change is just another interesting and entertaining diversion for most people, like a tv show. I have watched mother deer go on alert. Their fawns gauge the danger by watching their mother's reaction as they often don't comprehend the threat themselves. I don't see our 'mother' running off with tail raised, therefore I'll just keep chomping these acorns.

I find it interesting the number of wealthy individuals interested in space travel. Rats leaving a sinking ship?
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/16/mega-rich-rocket-ships-escape-earth

OldWiseGuy · Dec 26, 2015

Goonie said:
I find it interesting the number of wealthy individuals interested in space travel. Rats leaving a sinking ship?
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/16/mega-rich-rocket-ships-escape-earth

If the idea weren't so cartoonish it would be......pathetic.

Goonie · Dec 26, 2015

OldWiseGuy said:
If the idea weren't so cartoonish it would be......pathetic.

The cartoonist idea is that there are thousands of climate scientists inventing the data in some vast liberal conspiracy. That is a truly cartoonist idea, yet many climate sceptics/deniers seem to believe this.

OldWiseGuy · Dec 26, 2015

Goonie said:
The cartoonist idea is that there are thousands of climate scientists inventing the data in some vast liberal conspiracy. That is a truly cartoonist idea, yet many climate sceptics/deniers seem to believe this.

If there's a problem let's fix it. How hard can that be?

RickG · Dec 26, 2015

OldWiseGuy said:
If there's a problem let's fix it. How hard can that be?

That's what the recent climate conference in France was about.

RickG · Dec 26, 2015

OldWiseGuy said:
Climate change is just another interesting and entertaining diversion for most people, like a tv show. I have watched mother deer go on alert. Their fawns gauge the danger by watching their mother's reaction as they often don't comprehend the threat themselves. I don't see our 'mother' running off with tail raised, therefore I'll just keep chomping these acorns.

The U.S. Republican Party is the only conservative political party on the planet that is in climate change denial. All other major governments whether conservative or liberal all understand and accept that climate change is occurring due to anthropogenic sources and something needs to be done before it gets too far out of hand.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/republican-party-stands-alone-in-climate-denial.html

OldWiseGuy · Dec 26, 2015

RickG said:
The U.S. Republican Party is the only conservative political party on the planet that is in climate change denial. All other major governments whether conservative or liberal all understand and accept that climate change is occurring due to anthropogenic sources and something needs to be done before it gets too far out of hand.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/republican-party-stands-alone-in-climate-denial.html

Maybe they're resting on the fact that North America sequesters more co2 than we produce. What other nations seem to want is for us to sequester yet more co2 so they can continue to produce more. That's what "carbon credits" are all about. If America accumulates more credits other nations think they can buy them from us and go on polluting. One reason we refused to sign on to the Kyoto Protocols was that our vast carbon sequestering forests were not to be credited to us in regard to co2 sequestration. We were to be considered net co2 producers as if we were as bad as everyone else.

Goonie · Dec 26, 2015

RickG said:
The U.S. Republican Party is the only conservative political party on the planet that is in climate change denial. All other major governments whether conservative or liberal all understand and accept that climate change is occurring due to anthropogenic sources and something needs to be done before it gets too far out of hand.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/republican-party-stands-alone-in-climate-denial.html

Not wholly correct. Whilst the Conservative government of the UK acknowledge man made climate change, and have spoken publicly on the need to address it. As a matter of policy they have abandoned funding for renewable energy, have removed funding for carbon capture research, and have instead decided to fund increased subsidies for fossil fuels.
http://touchstoneblog.org.uk/2015/07/green-crap-tories-ban-solar-and-wind-energy-subsidies/
Indeed if one was to go by the policies of the Tory government they clearly reject man made climate change.

Oafman · Dec 26, 2015

Goonie said:
Not wholly correct. Whilst the Conservative government of the UK acknowledge man made climate change, and have spoken publicly on the need to address it. As a matter of policy they have abandoned funding for renewable energy, have removed funding for carbon capture research, and have instead decided to fund increased subsidies for fossil fuels.
http://touchstoneblog.org.uk/2015/07/green-crap-tories-ban-solar-and-wind-energy-subsidies/
Indeed if one was to go by the policies of the Tory government they clearly reject man made climate change.

They accept the science. They're just too beholden to their sponsors to take committed action.

Gene2memE · Dec 26, 2015

OldWiseGuy said:
If there's a problem let's fix it. How hard can that be?

I don't think you have a proper understanding of the scale of our fossil fuel dependence as a species.

Fossil fuels - coal, oil, natural gas - provide about 77% of total energy use globally and more than 95% of energy use in transport.

The fossil fuel industry represents somewhere around 23-27% of global GDP, when counting direct and indirect effects. Globally, governments hand out 5.3 trillion dollars in subsidies for fossil fuels every year - equivalent to about 6.5% of global GDP.

The infrastructure that we have developed is dependent on fossil fuels - transport, most industry, most manufacturing - all of it relies on cheap energy.

Its a problem that has developed over hundreds of years. Coal powered the beginning of the industrial revolution. Since then we've added oil and natural gas, and gotten rid of stuff like whale oil.

How hard can it be? Try reversing a process encompassing the entire planet, which has been going on for 200-250 years, that has now effectively broken an environmental cycle that is 400,000 years old.

OldWiseGuy · Dec 26, 2015

Gene2memE said:
I don't think you have a proper understanding of the scale of our fossil fuel dependence as a species.

If the problem is too big to fix what's all the fuss about? Let's just go fishing.

OTOH I'll recall what my foreman used to say when faced with a big project, "Well, let's get started and see how it goes."

This one will take awhile, so we should probably get started.

florida2 · Dec 26, 2015

OldWiseGuy said:
If the problem is too big to fix what's all the fuss about? Let's just go fishing.

OTOH I'll recall what my foreman used to say when faced with a big project, "Well, let's get started and see how it goes."

This one will take awhile, so we should probably get started.

Which is what's already been happening for years - the Paris conference was just the next step.

OldWiseGuy · Dec 26, 2015

florida2 said:
Which is what's already been happening for years - the Paris conference was just the next step.

It seems to me that the Paris Agreement is just more wishful thinking.

[serious] · Dec 26, 2015

Grandmas body temperature (in K):

Grandma died on Wednesday

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