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Matthew 10:34-36 ESV

Jesus said: “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.”

Is this the picture of Jesus that you are hearing taught in your local church fellowships? I doubt that many are teaching this passage today. For so many are painting a picture of Jesus who unifies us all together regardless of how we live our lives, and regardless of whether or not we fear him and honor him as Lord of our lives. They paint Jesus as a peacekeeper whose goal it is for all people to live in harmony with one another.

For what many of them are teaching in their gatherings is that we are all to “stay in your own lane,” and we are not to say anything to anyone that might offend them, but that we are to only say what makes people feel good about themselves so that they will feel good about us so that we can all be one big happy family where no one judges anyone else for anything they are doing. For they don’t want anyone feeling uncomfortable or judged.

But Jesus is saying here that we are not to think that he came to bring peace to the earth. For he did not come to bring peace, but a sword. Wow! For he came to turn us against one another. What? Does that agree with Scripture as a whole? Is he promoting that we hate and that we disagree and that we fight with one another? Is that really what he is saying here? Or could there be another way of looking at this?

It is always good to look at the context, for most often that is where we get our understanding of a passage of Scripture. So, what is the context here? Jesus was sending his disciples out as sheep in the midst of wolves, and they were to beware of men who were likely to deliver them over to the courts and to flog them in their synagogues, and they were not to fear them, for God the Spirit would give them the words to speak when that happened.

So, the context is clearly Christian persecution. But who were persecuting the Christians? They were Jews who claimed to believe in the same God that we do and they were religious leaders and rulers in their religious institutions, so they were religious people and people who knew and who taught the Scriptures (Old Testament). They were the same people, basically, who persecuted Jesus and who put him to death.

And then the passage continued by stating that brother will deliver brother over to death, and the father his child, and children will rise against their parents and have them put to death, and we will be hated by all of them for his name’s sake. So, what was he saying? He was saying that if we follow him with our lives that everyone is not going to like us and embrace us. We are not going to be voted “most popular” or “best personality.”

Why? If we are the kind of “cookie cutter” Christians that are being produced today by these diluted gospel presentations which require no death to sin and no obedience to the Lord and no submission to him as Lord, then everyone should love us, right? And that is because we submit to the culture which tells us to immerse ourselves in the culture so that we can relate to the people and so we can be the gospel by inviting them to watch movies.

That is not going to get anyone persecuted or hated. So, obviously this is not the kind of Christianity that Jesus was teaching. He didn’t teach us to just go around blessing everyone by saying to them what they want to hear and what will make them feel good. And he didn’t teach that we can just be the gospel by inviting our neighbors over for popcorn and a movie or for game night or whatever other form of entertainment we might provide them.

Jesus said if we are like him in character, in heart, in mind, and in actions, that we will be treated like he was. And why did they treat him that way, this man that supposedly so many people today admire? It was because he confronted them in their sins, and he told them that they had to die with him to sin and live to his righteousness, and that they had to obey him or that they could not live with him, with God for eternity.

And this is the same reason our family members and people we know well and people we don’t know at all will be against us and will come against us because they don’t like the message that tells them that they must forsake their sins to follow Jesus in obedience. And that is because they want to hold on to their sins and they want to live for self-pleasure, and they don’t want to have to submit to the Lord or obey him.

Matthew 10:37-39 ESV

Jesus said: “Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.”

What? There are conditions to our salvation? There are things we must do in order to be saved? Jesus doesn’t just hand us his salvation and say “Go now and have a good time and I will see you again when I come back”? So, Jesus doesn’t know that he doesn’t require works of us and that if we actually obey him and surrender our lives to him and repent of our sins that we are trying to earn our own salvation? Does someone need to tell him that?

For, it appears from what he taught when he lived on this earth that he made it quite clear that we must love and serve and obey him above all else, and that he is to get absolutely first priority and first place in our lives or else we are not worthy to be his followers. We can’t be his disciples, in other words, if his plans for our lives are not what we follow. If we don’t die with him to sin and follow him in obedience, and continue in that until the end, then we will not have eternal life with God, no matter what.

But Jesus wasn’t the only one who said these kinds of things. Actually Paul taught this a lot! Paul said if we obey sin, it ends in death, and if we walk (in conduct, in practice) according to the flesh, and not according to the Spirit, that we don’t have eternal life with God. And he said that if we make sin our practice and righteousness is not what we practice that we will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. And he also taught the necessity of obedience.

But we are not perfect people, right? We still live in flesh bodies, we are still tempted to sin, and we still have the propensity to sin. And didn’t Jesus die on that cross for us in putting our sin to death with him because we are not able to keep the law perfectly? Yes! But he did this that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who walk (in conduct) not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit (see Rom 8).

Basically, if we have this attitude that we don’t have to forsake our sins and we don’t have to obey the Lord and we don’t have to submit to him as Lord, then we are not saved, plain and simple. We have bought into a lie that will end us in hell on the promise of heaven when we die. With regard to our salvation and eternal life with God, the Scriptures make it quite clear that there are conditions we must meet, not to earn our salvation, but to actually believe in Jesus with the required faith for our salvation.

For, God’s grace to us is not just about forgiving our sins so we can go to heaven when we die. God’s grace to us was in Jesus providing a way for us to die with him to sin and for us to no longer be enslaved to sin but for us to now be slaves of God and of his righteousness. And this involves walks of obedience to our Lord.

[Lu 9:23-26; Jn 6:35-58; Jn 15:1-11; Rom 6:1-23; Rom 8:1-17; Eph 4:17-24; 1 Pet 2:24; 1 Co 6:9-10, 19-20; 2 Co 5:10, 15; Tit 2:11-14; Jas 1:22-25; Gal 5:16-21; Eph 5:3-6; Gal 6:7-8; Rom 2:6-8; Matt 7:21-23; Heb 10:26-27; 1 Jn 1:5-9; 1 Jn 2:3-6; 1 Jn 3:4-10; Rom 12:1-2; Eph 2:8-10]

I Will Wait for You (Psalm 130)

By Jordan Kauflin, Keith Getty, Matt Merker, & Stuart Townend

Out of the depths I cry to You
In darkest places I will call
Incline Your ear to me anew
And hear my cry for mercy, Lord

Were You to count my sinful ways
How could I come before Your throne
Yet full forgiveness meets my gaze
I stand redeemed by grace alone

I will wait for You
I will wait for You
On Your word, I will rely
I will wait for You
Surely wait for You
Till my soul is satisfied..

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This reminds me of the well known verse from Luke 2.

In verse 14 there is a subtle difference between translations.

Peace does not rest on all people but rather those who please God with their walk of faith.

NASB
13 And suddenly there appeared with the angel a multitude of the heavenly army of angels praising God and saying,

14 “Glory to God in the highest,
And on earth peace among people with whom He is pleased.”

KJV
13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,

14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.


KJV and other translations suggest His Peace rests on ALL Mankind.

NASB states God's peace rests only on those who are pleasing to Him.

The Truth divides.

Salvation is NOT for all.

Be found in His obedience - then peace will come.
 
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This reminds me of the well known verse from Luke 2.

In verse 14 there is a subtle difference between translations.

Peace does not rest on all people but rather those who please God with their walk of faith.

NASB
13 And suddenly there appeared with the angel a multitude of the heavenly army of angels praising God and saying,

14 “Glory to God in the highest,
And on earth peace among people with whom He is pleased.”

KJV
13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,

14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.


KJV and other translations suggest His Peace rests on ALL Mankind.

NASB states God's peace rests only on those who are pleasing to Him.

The Truth divides.

Salvation is NOT for all.

Be found in His obedience - then peace will come.


The problem in todays world, most want their ears tickled. They do not want truth. It must have been that way in Jesus day as well, for those to hate him so much as to kill him, they killed the apostles and then the followers. Not for teaching-love, peace, and unity, but other truth exposed their wicked acts and false god worship.
Those that actually love Jesus learn and apply all his truth--who taught--Man does not live by bread alone, but by every utterance from God.= OT-NT. takes years of studying those pages. And one still learns new points. It never stops. Thus the real teachers that Jesus appoints make sure that gets done without fail. So all can look at their teachers and see if they do just that. If not, they have found these teachers-2Corinthians 11:12-15
 
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Matthew 10:34-36 ESV

Jesus said: “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.”

Is this the picture of Jesus that you are hearing taught in your local church fellowships? I doubt that many are teaching this passage today. For so many are painting a picture of Jesus who unifies us all together regardless of how we live our lives, and regardless of whether or not we fear him and honor him as Lord of our lives. They paint Jesus as a peacekeeper whose goal it is for all people to live in harmony with one another.

For what many of them are teaching in their gatherings is that we are all to “stay in your own lane,” and we are not to say anything to anyone that might offend them, but that we are to only say what makes people feel good about themselves so that they will feel good about us so that we can all be one big happy family where no one judges anyone else for anything they are doing. For they don’t want anyone feeling uncomfortable or judged.

But Jesus is saying here that we are not to think that he came to bring peace to the earth. For he did not come to bring peace, but a sword. Wow! For he came to turn us against one another. What? Does that agree with Scripture as a whole? Is he promoting that we hate and that we disagree and that we fight with one another? Is that really what he is saying here? Or could there be another way of looking at this?

It is always good to look at the context, for most often that is where we get our understanding of a passage of Scripture. So, what is the context here? Jesus was sending his disciples out as sheep in the midst of wolves, and they were to beware of men who were likely to deliver them over to the courts and to flog them in their synagogues, and they were not to fear them, for God the Spirit would give them the words to speak when that happened.

So, the context is clearly Christian persecution. But who were persecuting the Christians? They were Jews who claimed to believe in the same God that we do and they were religious leaders and rulers in their religious institutions, so they were religious people and people who knew and who taught the Scriptures (Old Testament). They were the same people, basically, who persecuted Jesus and who put him to death.

And then the passage continued by stating that brother will deliver brother over to death, and the father his child, and children will rise against their parents and have them put to death, and we will be hated by all of them for his name’s sake. So, what was he saying? He was saying that if we follow him with our lives that everyone is not going to like us and embrace us. We are not going to be voted “most popular” or “best personality.”

Why? If we are the kind of “cookie cutter” Christians that are being produced today by these diluted gospel presentations which require no death to sin and no obedience to the Lord and no submission to him as Lord, then everyone should love us, right? And that is because we submit to the culture which tells us to immerse ourselves in the culture so that we can relate to the people and so we can be the gospel by inviting them to watch movies.

That is not going to get anyone persecuted or hated. So, obviously this is not the kind of Christianity that Jesus was teaching. He didn’t teach us to just go around blessing everyone by saying to them what they want to hear and what will make them feel good. And he didn’t teach that we can just be the gospel by inviting our neighbors over for popcorn and a movie or for game night or whatever other form of entertainment we might provide them.

Jesus said if we are like him in character, in heart, in mind, and in actions, that we will be treated like he was. And why did they treat him that way, this man that supposedly so many people today admire? It was because he confronted them in their sins, and he told them that they had to die with him to sin and live to his righteousness, and that they had to obey him or that they could not live with him, with God for eternity.

And this is the same reason our family members and people we know well and people we don’t know at all will be against us and will come against us because they don’t like the message that tells them that they must forsake their sins to follow Jesus in obedience. And that is because they want to hold on to their sins and they want to live for self-pleasure, and they don’t want to have to submit to the Lord or obey him.

Matthew 10:37-39 ESV

Jesus said: “Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.”

What? There are conditions to our salvation? There are things we must do in order to be saved? Jesus doesn’t just hand us his salvation and say “Go now and have a good time and I will see you again when I come back”? So, Jesus doesn’t know that he doesn’t require works of us and that if we actually obey him and surrender our lives to him and repent of our sins that we are trying to earn our own salvation? Does someone need to tell him that?

For, it appears from what he taught when he lived on this earth that he made it quite clear that we must love and serve and obey him above all else, and that he is to get absolutely first priority and first place in our lives or else we are not worthy to be his followers. We can’t be his disciples, in other words, if his plans for our lives are not what we follow. If we don’t die with him to sin and follow him in obedience, and continue in that until the end, then we will not have eternal life with God, no matter what.

But Jesus wasn’t the only one who said these kinds of things. Actually Paul taught this a lot! Paul said if we obey sin, it ends in death, and if we walk (in conduct, in practice) according to the flesh, and not according to the Spirit, that we don’t have eternal life with God. And he said that if we make sin our practice and righteousness is not what we practice that we will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. And he also taught the necessity of obedience.

But we are not perfect people, right? We still live in flesh bodies, we are still tempted to sin, and we still have the propensity to sin. And didn’t Jesus die on that cross for us in putting our sin to death with him because we are not able to keep the law perfectly? Yes! But he did this that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who walk (in conduct) not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit (see Rom 8).

Basically, if we have this attitude that we don’t have to forsake our sins and we don’t have to obey the Lord and we don’t have to submit to him as Lord, then we are not saved, plain and simple. We have bought into a lie that will end us in hell on the promise of heaven when we die. With regard to our salvation and eternal life with God, the Scriptures make it quite clear that there are conditions we must meet, not to earn our salvation, but to actually believe in Jesus with the required faith for our salvation.

For, God’s grace to us is not just about forgiving our sins so we can go to heaven when we die. God’s grace to us was in Jesus providing a way for us to die with him to sin and for us to no longer be enslaved to sin but for us to now be slaves of God and of his righteousness. And this involves walks of obedience to our Lord.

[Lu 9:23-26; Jn 6:35-58; Jn 15:1-11; Rom 6:1-23; Rom 8:1-17; Eph 4:17-24; 1 Pet 2:24; 1 Co 6:9-10, 19-20; 2 Co 5:10, 15; Tit 2:11-14; Jas 1:22-25; Gal 5:16-21; Eph 5:3-6; Gal 6:7-8; Rom 2:6-8; Matt 7:21-23; Heb 10:26-27; 1 Jn 1:5-9; 1 Jn 2:3-6; 1 Jn 3:4-10; Rom 12:1-2; Eph 2:8-10]

I Will Wait for You (Psalm 130)

By Jordan Kauflin, Keith Getty, Matt Merker, & Stuart Townend

Out of the depths I cry to You
In darkest places I will call
Incline Your ear to me anew
And hear my cry for mercy, Lord

Were You to count my sinful ways
How could I come before Your throne
Yet full forgiveness meets my gaze
I stand redeemed by grace alone

I will wait for You
I will wait for You
On Your word, I will rely
I will wait for You
Surely wait for You
Till my soul is satisfied..

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In this world if you testify against a criminal organization in court, the gang might not give you peace, but revenge instead.

On Palm Sunday Jesus rode a donkey down from the Mt. of Olives:
John 12:12 On the next day a great multitude had come to the feast. When they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, 13 they took the branches of the palm trees and went out to meet him, and cried out, “Hosanna! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, Psalm 118:25-26 the King of Israel!”

Several days later a different crowd appeared at Jesus’ trial to demand his execution.

John 8:33 Pilate therefore entered again into the Praetorium, called Jesus, and said to him, “Are you the King of the Jews?”
34 Jesus answered him, “Do you say this by yourself, or did others tell you about me?”
35 Pilate answered, “I’m not a Jew, am I? Your own nation and the chief priests delivered you to me. What have you done?”
36 Jesus answered, “My Kingdom is not of this world. If my Kingdom were of this world, then my servants would fight, that I wouldn’t be delivered to the Jews. But now my Kingdom is not from here.”
37 Pilate therefore said to him, “Are you a king then?”
Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. For this reason I have been born, and for this reason I have come into the world, that I should testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice.”
38 Pilate said to him, “What is truth?”
When he had said this, he went out again to the Jews, and said to them, “I find no basis for a charge against him. 39 But you have a custom, that I should release someone to you at the Passover. Therefore, do you want me to release to you the King of the Jews?”
40 Then they all shouted again, saying, “Not this man, but Barabbas!” Now Barabbas was a robber.

After Pilate continued try to release Jesus, the crowd demanded his crucifixion. John 19:6, 19:15
 
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Unity or consensus?

Unity is biblical (John 17 Acts 4)

Consensus is the false unity IMHO...
Unity is not and should not be an objective, but the fruit, the result of walking closer with the Lord.
ie. When you get close to the Lord, you will have a perfectly natural unity with others who are close to the Lord.

The history of making unity the "objective" of Christianity is that biblical and spiritual truths get horse traded, and compromises are made by churches to avoid division.
 
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Unity is not and should not be an objective, but the fruit, the result of walking closer with the Lord.
ie. When you get close to the Lord, you will have a perfectly natural unity with others who are close to the Lord.

The history of making unity the "objective" of Christianity is that biblical and spiritual truths get horse traded, and compromises are made by churches to avoid division.

I guess we are talking about two different kinds of unity.

The unity He brings cannot be achieved by human endeavour.

The 'unity' man achieves is a different animal altogether.
 
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I guess we are talking about two different kinds of unity.

The unity He brings cannot be achieved by human endeavour.

The 'unity' man achieves is a different animal altogether.
Agreed, that's why Christians should ignore unity and just get deeper into Christ.

Jesus said he was bringing division, and Christians striving for unity are usually working in complete opposition to this.
 
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Agreed, that's why Christians should ignore unity and just get deeper into Christ.

Jesus said he was bringing division, and Christians striving for unity are usually working in complete opposition to this.

Yes His unity among us is visible evidence to the world of His glory.

Unity then is a sign of health in the church.

Sadly this is rare...

The division Jesus brings is between the believer and the lost...

He also divides between soul and Spirit in us.
 
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Yes His unity among us is visible evidence to the world of His glory.

Unity then is a sign of health in the church.
From my experience unity is rarely a sign of health, but of selling Christ down the river.

Churches might appear to be in unity, but you will usually find that many things and many people are completely suppressed.
 
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From my experience unity is rarely a sign of health, but of selling Christ down the river.

You refer again to a false 'unity'

I was talking of the real God given unity being a sign of health in a church.

I said this was rare...
 
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You refer again to a false 'unity'

I was talking of the real God given unity being a sign of health in a church.

I said this was rare...
I know you were.
The reason I keep returning to this is because 'unity' seems to be the most popular issue among churches, and as you say, it's a false unity. The problem is that 99% of Christians cannot tell the difference, and consequently get side-lined away from following Christ into following a doctrine of demons.

There are no end of organisations in the church, all striving to create unity. Do a google search for 'church unity organisations' and the results just go on and on.

I honestly wish the subject of unity was never mentioned in church, as I have seen so much bullying, manipulation, and witchcraft under that guise.

I recall 30 years ago being accosted in the street by a brother from our fellowship. I had an excellent relationship with him, in fact he lived with us at one point.
He soon turned to his purpose is stopping me, why did I cause such dissent in the elders and leaders meeting the other night?
I replied that nobody was saying anything, but we all knew the elders were lying to us!
He completely agreed, but why couldn't I just let it go, instead of always rocking the boat?

Rocking the boat! In other words, unity was far more important than truth or righteousness!
Maintaining unity and supporting the leadership, including covering up infidelities has been the hallmark of corruption for centuries, all enabled by the god of unity.
 
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I know you were.
The reason I keep returning to this is because 'unity' seems to be the most popular issue among churches, and as you say, it's a false unity. The problem is that 99% of Christians cannot tell the difference, and consequently get side-lined away from following Christ into following a doctrine of demons.

There are no end of organisations in the church, all striving to create unity. Do a google search for 'church unity organisations' and the results just go on and on.

I honestly wish the subject of unity was never mentioned in church, as I have seen so much bullying, manipulation, and witchcraft under that guise.

I recall 30 years ago being accosted in the street by a brother from our fellowship. I had an excellent relationship with him, in fact he lived with us at one point.
He soon turned to his purpose is stopping me, why did I cause such dissent in the elders and leaders meeting the other night?
I replied that nobody was saying anything, but we all knew the elders were lying to us!
He completely agreed, but why couldn't I just let it go, instead of always rocking the boat?

Rocking the boat! In other words, unity was far more important than truth or righteousness!
Maintaining unity and supporting the leadership, including covering up infidelities has been the hallmark of corruption for centuries, all enabled by the god of unity.

Yes - human loyalty blinds...
 
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