Non-trivial triva

[tall73]

What annual event featured the high priest bringing blood into God's presence?

 

[digdeep]

What annual event featured the high priest bringing blood into God's presence?

This would be the Day of Atonement.

Do I get a prize?

DD

 

[tall73]

sure

The satisfaction and pride of a job well done!

 

[StormyOne]

and since Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice and high priest.... the analogy of the sanctuary service has served its usefulness and is a done deal.... IMO...

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

Is it really a non trival question? For instance if you did not have any knowledge of the Jewish sacrificial system would you not understand the message of the New Testament? Aside from the book of Hebrews the New Testament makes little use of the Old sacrificial system. And it seems to me Hebrews is written to appeal to people that already believe in the Jewish Sacrificial system and is meant to appeal to their history and traditions could be fulfilled in Christ. Something that the Gentiles had no need of at all.

The problem today is Christianity has assumed that the sacrificial system pointed to the Messiah even though that was never the Jewish view and impossible to see for those people at that time. It can only be seen when looking back from the perspective of Christ as the Messiah. Then because we can make Christ fit with some of the Jewish sacrificial ideas we think we have to make Christ fit with them all, which we can do if we do not get too detailed in the application.

 

[StormyOne]

Is it really a non trival question? For instance if you did not have any knowledge of the Jewish sacrificial system would you not understand the message of the New Testament? Aside from the book of Hebrews the New Testament makes little use of the Old sacrificial system. And it seems to me Hebrews is written to appeal to people that already believe in the Jewish Sacrificial system and is meant to appeal to their history and traditions could be fulfilled in Christ. Something that the Gentiles had no need of at all.

The problem today is Christianity has assumed that the sacrificial system pointed to the Messiah even though that was never the Jewish view and impossible to see for those people at that time. It can only be seen when looking back from the perspective of Christ as the Messiah. Then because we can make Christ fit with some of the Jewish sacrificial ideas we think we have to make Christ fit with them all, which we can do if we do not get too detailed in the application.

exactly... which is why I believe that the analogy can only be taken so far.... unfortunately some are serious stuck there and have no desire to see past the analogy... in fact elaborate beliefs have been developed because of the fixation on the sacrificial system.....

 

[BGMCFAR]

Chirst dyng on the cross wasn't the Mosaic law and cerimonial law done away with as far as christians are concerned

 

[RND]

Is it really a non trival question? For instance if you did not have any knowledge of the Jewish sacrificial system would you not understand the message of the New Testament? Aside from the book of Hebrews the New Testament makes little use of the Old sacrificial system. And it seems to me Hebrews is written to appeal to people that already believe in the Jewish Sacrificial system and is meant to appeal to their history and traditions could be fulfilled in Christ. Something that the Gentiles had no need of at all.

That's an interesting take if you ignore the fact that gentiles have been grafted into the branch. Hence it would seem clear that if we have been made partakers with Christ we should have a little insight in how the family came about.

In other words, we gentiles have been given the same instruction manual as everyone else. Besides, I thought the Bible said there were no more Jews or gentiles, but just those in Jesus Christ.

The problem today is Christianity has assumed that the sacrificial system pointed to the Messiah even though that was never the Jewish view and impossible to see for those people at that time.

What was the Jewish view of the ceremonial system then?

It can only be seen when looking back from the perspective of Christ as the Messiah. Then because we can make Christ fit with some of the Jewish sacrificial ideas we think we have to make Christ fit with them all, which we can do if we do not get too detailed in the application.

Christ said that the scriptures speak of Him. Which one's didn't speak of Him?

 

[sentipente]

What annual event featured the high priest bringing blood into God's presence?

What do you mean by "the" high priest? Every ancient civilization has high priests. Do they all fit into the question?

 

[RND]

What do you mean by "the" high priest? Every ancient civilization has high priests. Do they all fit into the question?

Good point actually.

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

That's an interesting take if you ignore the fact that gentiles have been grafted into the branch. Hence it would seem clear that if we have been made partakers with Christ we should have a little insight in how the family came about.

We do have insight on how the family came about that does not mean that all the ceremonies had literal fulfillments.

In other words, we gentiles have been given the same instruction manual as everyone else. Besides, I thought the Bible said there were no more Jews or gentiles, but just those in Jesus Christ.

That would be what the Judaizers would have said. As they tried to make the Gentiles obey Jewish laws but the Apostles fought against that. As there are indeed no more Jew and Gentile in God's eyes all have equal access to God.

What was the Jewish view of the ceremonial system then?

That would take more time then I will want to take. You can certainly read about the Jewish views on various websites and the Jewish Encylopedia. You would be well adviced to do that and learn what they did and did not believe as it is far different then what Christian tradition asserts.

Christ said that the scriptures speak of Him. Which one's didn't speak of Him?
Actually most of the Old Testament does not speak about him. You can practically open up to anyplace and it will not be about Jesus. Much more of the Old Testament is about God, so in that sense it is also about Jesus since He is God, but in most of those instances it is not about future Messiah activities. Just so you understand such books as Ecclesiastes and Judges are not about Jesus. The story of Sodom and Gomorroha, the flood or so many events are not about Jesus. You can draw comparisons based upon the life of Christ to stories like Doug Batchelor does with Joseph but the stories themselves are not about Jesus.

This is actually so obvious yet for most Fundamentalists this is a concept they can't grasp. Probably because they have such a superficial understanding of the Bible.

When Jesus said the Scriptures speak of Him He is referring to His identification as God. And since many of the stories are about particular people and events they are not about God, such as Lot's daughters sleeping with him and getting pregnant...that is not a story about God. I hope you see the difference.

 

[RND]

When Jesus said the Scriptures speak of Him He is referring to His identification as God.

And not the prophecies regarding the coming Messiah? You serious?

And since many of the stories are about particular people and events they are not about God, such as Lot's daughters sleeping with him and getting pregnant...that is not a story about God. I hope you see the difference.

God is found in every word, verse, chapter and book of the Bible RC. I hope you realize this.

 

[freeindeed2]

And not the prophecies regarding the coming Messiah? You serious?



God is found in every word, verse, chapter and book of the Bible RC. I hope you realize this.

What about this word:

SIN

Is God found in the word 'sin'? Please demonstrate that God is 'found' in EVERY word.

In Christ alone...

 

[Adventtruth]

And not the prophecies regarding the coming Messiah? You serious?



God is found in every word, verse, chapter and book of the Bible RC. I hope you realize this.

You just keep proving my point over and over again.

AT

 

[RND]

What about this word:

SIN

Is God found in the word 'sin'? Please demonstrate that God is 'found' in EVERY word.

In Christ alone...

I didn't think I would need to explain this but by saying that God found in every word means simply that every word was inspired and breathed by God for the prophets to write, meaning that God is the author of the Bible.

Otherwise, if He wasn't, it would merely be folklore and fables.

Psalm 33:4
For the word of the LORD [is] right; and all his works [are done] in truth.

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[RND]

You just keep proving my point over and over again.

AT

I've never seen you make any AT. What was your point again?

 

[Adventtruth]

I've never seen you make any AT. What was your point again?

For a person who claims they keep the commandments of God, you will break them when you see fit I see.

AT

 

[RND]

For a person who claims they keep the commandments of God, you will break them when you see fit I see.

AT

I doubt you see anything other than what you want to AT.

 

[mva1985]

God is found in every word, verse, chapter and book of the Bible RC. I hope you realize this.

+1

 

[OntheDL]

I didn't think I would need to explain this but by saying that God found in every word means simply that every word was inspired and breathed by God for the prophets to write, meaning that God is the author of the Bible.

Otherwise, if He wasn't, it would merely be folklore and fables.

Psalm 33:4
For the word of the LORD [is] right; and all his works [are done] in truth.

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

That's how it is. Everything you say is nitpicked and judged.