Non sola scriptura beliefs origins, like flat Earth...?

[GoldenKingGaze]

Where do non sola scriptura beliefs come from, that is, the idea that the world is flat, that the sun, moon and stars revolve around the Earth? That Mars is a star, that there are no other hominids or sons of God in the universe? That we are the first and last hominids life? That we alone have dominion? That sons of God, in Genesis 6 and Job 1 and 2 refer to fallen angels or mixed holy and fallen angels?

And transubstantiation?

That the glory of God in the face of Christ from Paul's writings is a person and not a thing and that the perfect thing to come then must be the Bible not Jesus Christ's second coming?

The concepts of various sized, dispensations?

And there is the somber concept of reverence and decently and in order?

That if we die with unconfessed sin we may go to Hell?

Limbo and babies lost in eternity?

 

[chevyontheriver]

Where do non sola scriptura beliefs come from, that is, the idea that the world is flat, that the sun, moon and stars revolve around the Earth? That Mars is a star, that there are no other hominids or sons of God in the universe? That we are the first and last hominids life? That we alone have dominion? That sons of God, in Genesis 6 and Job 1 and 2 refer to fallen angels or mixed holy and fallen angels?

And transubstantiation?

That the glory of God in the face of Christ from Paul's writings is a person and not a thing and that the perfect thing to come then must be the Bible not Jesus Christ's second coming?

The concepts of various sized, dispensations?

And there is the somber concept of reverence and decently and in order?

That if we die with unconfessed sin we may go to Hell?

Limbo and babies lost in eternity?

Most of those, with the exception of transubstantiation, that dying with uncontested sin risks hell, and limbo, are the earnest products of people who believe earnestly in Sola Scriptura. Ask any forum flat earthen if they follow Sola Scriptura. Ask any creationist. Ask any dispensationalist.

 

[Tolworth John]

the idea that the world is flat, that the sun, moon and stars revolve around the Earth?

These are all non christian ideas coming from pagan beliefs and promoted by atheists.

Other ideas are an attempt to understand scripture, while others are a distortion of scripture.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Most of those, with the exception of transubstantiation, that dying with uncontested sin risks hell, and limbo, are the earnest products of people who believe earnestly in Sola Scriptura. Ask any forum flat earthen if they follow Sola Scriptura. Ask any creationist. Ask any dispensationalist.

Some sola scriptura works are too literal, others have creative ideas from their own imaginations.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Some sola scriptura works are too literal, others have creative ideas from their own imaginations.

Seems to be more often than not.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Where do non sola scriptura beliefs come from, that is, the idea that the world is flat, that the sun, moon and stars revolve around the Earth? That Mars is a star, that there are no other hominids or sons of God in the universe? That we are the first and last hominids life? That we alone have dominion? That sons of God, in Genesis 6 and Job 1 and 2 refer to fallen angels or mixed holy and fallen angels?

And transubstantiation?

That the glory of God in the face of Christ from Paul's writings is a person and not a thing and that the perfect thing to come then must be the Bible not Jesus Christ's second coming?

The concepts of various sized, dispensations?

And there is the somber concept of reverence and decently and in order?

That if we die with unconfessed sin we may go to Hell?

Limbo and babies lost in eternity?

As in many cases, we speculate on what we do not know and some of those speculations get favored and believed as if fact. We must have millions of them.

 

[Davy]

Where do non sola scriptura beliefs come from, that is, the idea that the world is flat, that the sun, moon and stars revolve around the Earth? That Mars is a star, that there are no other hominids or sons of God in the universe? That we are the first and last hominids life? That we alone have dominion? That sons of God, in Genesis 6 and Job 1 and 2 refer to fallen angels or mixed holy and fallen angels?

And transubstantiation?

Those ideas originated in the Catholic Church. And some of those who tried to show the planets revolve around the sun (like Galileo and Copernicus) were persecuted by the Catholic Church for heresy.

The idea of transubstantiation is about the Catholic Church Eucharist, belief that the bread and wine is literally translated into the 'literal' body and blood of Christ, instead of just being symbolic of Christ's blood and body of The New Covenant. The Truth is the latter.

That the glory of God in the face of Christ from Paul's writings is a person and not a thing and that the perfect thing to come then must be the Bible not Jesus Christ's second coming?

Don't know where you got that above idea from. It is not in The Bible.

In 2 John 7:7, he called those an antichrist that refuses to believe that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. That is important because the title of "Christ" is not an earthly title, but a Heavenly one. John was saying like Peter said, that Jesus of Nazareth is... The Christ. And in Isaiah that was prophecy that Christ would be born of a virgin, His name being "Immanuel" which means 'God with us' (see Matthew 1:23).

So YES, Jesus 'The Christ' is a Person in the Triune GODHEAD of The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. There is a multitude of New Testament Scripture that reveals this, not just what I showed.

Why then, do 'some' try to confuse The Christ's Place in The GODHEAD? That should be easy to answer, for those who believe on Jesus Christ's death and resurrection for their salvation.

If 'they' can get you to accept that Jesus is NOT God, then they essentially have tricked you into rejecting the ONLY WAY of God's salvation through His Son's Blood shed upon the cross (Acts 4:10-12). It would mean what Jesus did on His cross as the Perfect Sacrifice for sin for one and all time, would be meaningless. That... is the falseness 'they' want you to believe, and those who push that show they work for the devil who from the beginning COVETED the position of The CHRIST.

The concepts of various sized, dispensations?

That is an idea which actually began in the 1800's with those like John Darby in Great Britain. It's called Dispensationalism. The base idea is much older, but Darby is who made it popular along with the pre-trib rapture theory he preached, which neither idea is actually written in God's Word, although we can easily see different times in history for God fulfilling Bible prophecy. Yet even today, there's still prophecy written in The Old Testament prophets that has not happened yet, and those prophecies were given though God's prophets over two thousand years ago. So just what dispensation are we really in, then? Such ideas of men's Dispensationalism just adds up to more confusion away from the simplicity of God's written Word.

And there is the somber concept of reverence and decently and in order?

Not sure what you mean by that. We are... to reverence our Heavenly Father and His Son. No biggie there. As for an 'order' to that, we are to pray to The Father in the Name of Jesus Christ. Jesus is our Mediator to The Father for us. We always go through Jesus Christ, that is, for those who believe.

That if we die with unconfessed sin we may go to Hell?

Limbo and babies lost in eternity?

Those are doctrines of the Catholic Church.

When Lord Jesus died on the cross, the veil of the temple was torn in two. Jesus ended the need to go through ANY priesthood, like the old Levitical priesthood. We can PRAY TO THE FATHER directly... through Jesus Christ now (1 Timothy 2:5). We do not need to confess our sins to a flesh priest (though it might help to talk out some problems with one, so I'm not knocking all their duties for the Church).

 

[HTacianas]

Where do non sola scriptura beliefs come from, that is, the idea that the world is flat, that the sun, moon and stars revolve around the Earth? That Mars is a star, that there are no other hominids or sons of God in the universe? That we are the first and last hominids life? That we alone have dominion? That sons of God, in Genesis 6 and Job 1 and 2 refer to fallen angels or mixed holy and fallen angels?

And transubstantiation?

That the glory of God in the face of Christ from Paul's writings is a person and not a thing and that the perfect thing to come then must be the Bible not Jesus Christ's second coming?

The concepts of various sized, dispensations?

And there is the somber concept of reverence and decently and in order?

That if we die with unconfessed sin we may go to Hell?

Limbo and babies lost in eternity?

No one has believed the world is flat in 2500 years or so. And it certainly has never been a Christian belief. That the sun and stars revolve around the earth is not a Christian belief either, it was always a scientific belief. Even the trial of Galileo was not religious in nature. It was the scientists of the time who testified against him.

But transubstantiation -as the Western Church calls it- has always been a Christian teaching. The bread and wine of the Eucharist becomes the body and blood of Christ, as he said:

Jhn 6:53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you.

And then as Paul said:

1Co 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

 

[Davy]

But transubstantiation -as the Western Church calls it- has always been a Christian teaching. The bread and wine of the Eucharist becomes the body and blood of Christ, as he said:

Jhn 6:53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you.

And then as Paul said:

1Co 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

Of course that is the Catholic Church understanding, but it is not the Protestant Church understanding. The bread and wine are SYMBOLIC REPRESENTATIONS for Christ's body and blood as a REMEMBRANCE for His blood and body shed upon His cross, like what Jesus showed His disciples at the last supper. Thinking that somehow those objects of Communion somehow become transfigured into Christ's LITERAL flesh and blood is a PAGAN ideology. Not a big thing among the Catholics, who allowed many pagan ideologies to run havoc in their system, even things like Mary worship. So beware brethren.

 

[HTacianas]

Of course that is the Catholic Church understanding, but it is not the Protestant Church understanding. The bread and wine are SYMBOLIC REPRESENTATIONS for Christ's body and blood as a REMEMBRANCE for His blood and body shed upon His cross, like what Jesus showed His disciples at the last supper. Thinking that somehow those objects of Communion somehow become transfigured into Christ's LITERAL flesh and blood is a PAGAN ideology. Not a big thing among the Catholics, who allowed many pagan ideologies to run havoc in their system, even things like Mary worship. So beware brethren.

You have to then explain how all of the original Apostolic Churches hold to the same belief. There is an unbroken chain of commentaries from the Apostles to the Church Fathers down until today and they all teach that belief. That someone came along well over a thousand years later and said something else hardly describes the beliefs of Christianity.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Those ideas originated in the Catholic Church. And some of those who tried to show the planets revolve around the sun (like Galileo and Copernicus) were persecuted by the Catholic Church for heresy.

What did Protestants at the time think of that Galileo guy? Was he a heroic spokesman for the truth? Or would they have treated him far far worse? Just askin'.

 

[Davy]

You have to then explain how all of the original Apostolic Churches hold to the same belief. There is an unbroken chain of commentaries from the Apostles to the Church Fathers down until today and they all teach that belief. That someone came along well over a thousand years later and said something else hardly describes the beliefs of Christianity.

Again, a Catholic Church idea.

 

[HTacianas]

Again, a Catholic Church idea.

It's hardly a Catholic Church idea when it is also the belief of the Coptic Orthodox Church. The Coptic Church has been out of communion with the Roman Church for well over one thousand years. How then can the Catholic Church have created the idea?

 

[Davy]

What did Protestants at the time think of that Galileo guy? Was he a heroic spokesman for the truth? Or would they have treated him far far worse? Just askin'.

Can't really say, since Galileo lived in the time of the Inquisition in the 1500's, and thus was persecuted by the Catholic Church, which also was in the early time of the Protestant rebellion.

 

[Petros2015]

Again, a Catholic Church idea.

"You are what you eat." ~Anonymous

 

[Petros2015]

Where do non sola scriptura beliefs come from, that is, the idea that the world is flat, that the sun, moon and stars revolve around the Earth?

Variety of places. For flat-earthers, its drawn from a few cherry picked verses like in Job, "the four corners of the earth" or something. Though, I note that none of the flat earth pictures I have seen have ever been a square... Odd that

So I would say that mostly they come from people who know that they can exploit sola scriptura devotion to bad ends and have done a good job. Most of them seem to have us living in a fishbowl of some sort.

Others are traditional church teachings of old, or are deviations of those traditions.

Be patient. I'm sure this will all get sorted out soon.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Can't really say, since Galileo lived in the time of the Inquisition in the 1500's, and thus was persecuted by the Catholic Church, which also was in the early time of the Protestant rebellion.

He was born in 1564 and died in 1642. His Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems was written in 1632. Not THAT early in the Protestant rebellion.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

What did Protestants at the time think of that Galileo guy? Was he a heroic spokesman for the truth? Or would they have treated him far far worse? Just askin'.

Johannes Kepler was Protestant astronomer who was a contemporary of Galileo. As far as I'm aware, his heliocentrism never got him into trouble.* Generally speaking, Protestants accepted heliocentrism faster than Catholics did.

*Apparently though, he did get into trouble for his view that the moon was a solid body, which Lutheran theologians considered contrary to the description of the moon in Genesis as a "light".

 

[chevyontheriver]

Johannes Kepler was Protestant astronomer who was a contemporary of Galileo. As far as I'm aware, his heliocentrism never got him into trouble. Generally speaking, Protestants accepted heliocentrism faster than Catholics did.

Kepler, a Lutheran, was shunned by Lutherans and had to move many times to avoid persecution. Some of that was because he held some Calvinist views. I'm not sure I would say Lutherans were all accepting of his discoveries. They were not terribly fond of Newton or Galileo either. I understated that quite a bit. If I were Galileo I know I would prefer a house arrest under Catholics than venturing into Germany as a place of scientific understanding. But that's just me, having read about various Christian responses to astronomers over the years.

 

[Davy]

It's hardly a Catholic Church idea when it is also the belief of the Coptic Orthodox Church. The Coptic Church has been out of communion with the Roman Church for well over one thousand years. How then can the Catholic Church have created the idea?

Traditions of men is actually what you are referencing as being more important than God's Holy Writ. And that just is not so. God's Holy Writ is the Measure of all things.