Non-Denominational Churches and Real Presence?

jinc1019 · Apr 24, 2013

CountryElder said:
"Where two or three are gathered, there I am in the midst of them".

CE

Yes...in the midst, but in the bread and wine? I don't know if you can necessarily equate the two, although I hope you are right.

jinc1019 · Apr 24, 2013

Pastor hammer said:
Each Christain must dedicate time everyday to The Lord. You can read his living word, pray and speak to him. Take time to listen as well as he will respond.

I have found personally that non-denominational churches are more like a Bible study then being wrote every week, and that had always fit my needs better. I was raised Catholic, and was away for over 20 years until I had been back again for a visit, (this was years ago) and I still know the mass start to finish! This may be good for some, but not for me.

What ever Church you attend must follow the Bible and fulfill your Biblical needs. You are still responsible for your own personal relationship with The Lord!

God Bless
Pastor Bob

Pastor Bob,
I agree with you that the style of worship, at least for me, is better in many good non-denominational churches. I learn a lot more, I get a lot more (intellectually) out of it, and I enjoy it more. But I believe non-denominational churches are teaching an error about the Lord's Supper, one I think is pretty important, so I am having a hard time putting that aside.

Alithis · Apr 24, 2013

jinc1019 said:
Pastor Bob,
I agree with you that the style of worship, at least for me, is better in many good non-denominational churches. I learn a lot more, I get a lot more (intellectually) out of it, and I enjoy it more. But I believe non-denominational churches are teaching an error about the Lord's Supper, one I think is pretty important, so I am having a hard time putting that aside.

nothing like man made institutions to take that which is
simple and clear ..
make it complicated obligatory and then control access to it in order to control others .

the Lord Jesus took the bread .,broke it and shared it round ..he took wine in a cup and shared that round .. he said to the disciples ( and by association all who truly believe in him) .
"Do this as often as you do ,in remembrance of me "- so simple that little children can understand it .
ANY believers can do this ,any where, any time and should .

the bread remains bread , the wine remains wine.

when i was saved by the grace of God ,set free and baptized by full immersion signifying burying my life,will and the will of the flesh and raised up again unto the Resurrection of the dead in Christ -by faith-

the lord then placed his seal of approval and confirmation on me by Baptizing me in the Holy Ghost - no man can do that to another man .
i was baptized in power and fire and spoke in other tongues have dreams and visions and still do to this day .

the Lord Jesus said NO ONE comes to the father but through ME
and the father said THIS is my beloved son listen TO HIM ...

any one that tells another they can only remember what the lord Jesus has done for us by having communion given to them by a man appointed priest ,does so from man made doctrine, with ZERO biblical grounds for doing so .

Yahu · Apr 25, 2013

jinc1019 said:
Interesting view about Christ being there regardless of the view of the church. I am not sure that is completely true. Is Jesus present even if we don't ask Him to be?...I certainly hope that is true. Even if it is true though, there remains the question of whether one should be in a church that teaches something is not important when I believe it is. Thanks for sharing!

Just remember Rev 2&3 lists the rewards for being an overcomer of the error of the congregation you are in. It isn't a requirement to believe what the majority believe. You always have to overcome the error in any denomination or congregational group.

PastorTeacher · Apr 25, 2013

jinc1019 said:
You are absolutely right that all churches generally hold some kind of communion service. My questions are about what they teach the communion service actually is and what they teach about what happens at the service.

The churches I have been in teach that communion is in keeping with the "do this in remembrance of me". The teaching prior to communion has often been the sharing of he gospel and the power that we have in Christ.

Pastor hammer · Apr 25, 2013

I accept Christ everyday! I like to reaffirm my love for him each and every day!

This is what is stated on my personal page, and this is what I do every day! When I go to my space to spend time with The Lord, I not only read his living word, but take time to talk and Listen too. This being said, I communicate with him through out the day in a casual way. When we sit down to break bread as a family, we give thanks and do it in memory of the great gift that we have been given, and the great gifts that we are given daily!

It is said, that faith will be tested and I'm here to tell you that our faith has been tested! We lost a son at the age of 6 in 1988, my health started to fail in the early 90s making have to go on disability at the age of 40 in 1998. Some of the things that we had to deal with was very hard! Instead of breaking us, it made our faith grow!

I brought that personal stuff up even though it may not have fit in this tread right now, because I want to point out that there are things (that I think) are more important than whether a church is having The Lords supper every week or not, or some other issue!

Is your heart being filled with the Holy Spirit? This to me, is much more important!

Pastor Bob

CountryElder · Apr 25, 2013

jinc1019 said:
Yes...in the midst, but in the bread and wine? I don't know if you can necessarily equate the two, although I hope you are right.

The "real presence" is far different than the Roman error of believing they are consuming the flesh and blood of Jesus, and re-crucifying our Savior week after week.

CE

jinc1019 · Apr 26, 2013

CountryElder said:
The "real presence" is far different than the Roman error of believing they are consuming the flesh and blood of Jesus, and re-crucifying our Savior week after week.

CE

I don't agree with transubstantiation either.

jinc1019 · Apr 26, 2013

I just want to say thank you again for everyone who has posted. Although I do not respond to every post, I read every post and I greatly appreciate the efforts everyone has made!

Justin

Yahu · Apr 26, 2013

jinc1019 said:
I don't agree with transubstantiation either.

It actually helps if you understand that the last supper was a Passover celebration done by the Essene calendar. You have to understand the different cups and bread of the Passover meal. The 3rd cup is the 'cup of redemption' for example. When Yeshua said 'this cup is my blood' He was meaning 'his blood' is the 'cup of redemption' symbolized in Passover. The bread that was broken was symbolizing His body being broken. That bread was broken then hidden to let the children search for it. If they found it, they got a prize later on Pentecost.

He was explaining the symbolism built into Passover. Then of course He was crucified and said 'it is finished' just as the High Priest was sacrificing the national Passover lamb by the Pharisee calendar and that priest says 'it is finished' meaning the 'last sacrifice' of Passover was done.

Communion was to be celebrated on the gathering for Passover, explaining the symbolism that foreshadowed the messiah. Of course Christianity tried to separate it from its Hebrew roots and lost the meaning.

jakael02 · Apr 27, 2013

CountryElder said:
The "real presence" is far different than the Roman error of believing they are consuming the flesh and blood of Jesus, and re-crucifying our Savior week after week.

CE

That is not how the Catholic Church sees it.

Pastor hammer · Apr 28, 2013

In the night in which he betrayed our Lord took bread, and gave thanks; broke it and gave it to his disciples saying: take and eat; this is my body given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.

Again, after supper, he took the cup, gave thanks and gave for all to drink, saying: this cup is the new covenant in my blood, shed for you and for all people for the forgiveness of sin. Do this for the remembrance of me.

Jesus, spoke these works at the last supper before he gave us and any believer the greatest gift! That is his life for the forgiveness of our sins. The bread we eat is not his body and the wine or grape juice is not his blood! It symbolizes his body and blood that was given to fulfill scripture.

This is my belief, and it is my way of remembering the awesome gift that I was given!

For that matter, does it really matter what one believes whether it is bread and wine the represents Jesus, or we believe that it is in fact his body a blood of Jesus as long as we act as Christains.

Pastor hammer · Apr 28, 2013

In a discussion, I was told by another person that they believe that the bread and wine is Jesus, because in his words he says,"this is my body, this is my blood".

Well my responds is, "this is my iPad, that I'm writing on but it is not me"! It is what I'm using to apply my thought and beliefs on this forum, however, it isn't me. Or this is my chair that I sit on, but it still is not me, therefore, this bread is my body, take and eat, do this in remembrance of me. These words are sacred and should not be taken lightly! So don't misunderstand what I say here! When communion is served it is done to remember the awesome gift given to us by Jesus Christ! That is his life on the cross so that our sins my be forgiven and that we may have eternal life.

When I partake in communion, to me it reminds me of the greatest thing that was ever done for me! I can even get tears in my eyes sometimes knowing what Christ has done for me. Easter time is the same way just thinking about the fact that he knew he had to die for us to fulfill the scriptures.

As I said in me previous post, does it really matter what we believe as long as we act like Christians?

I would also like to add this, talk the talk and also walk the walk! Not only let others hear you, but to see your actions as well!

God bless you all,

Pastor Bob

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