Non-Belivers, Who here dose not think they go to Hell?

[Loner]

Do you think if some one dose not belive in Jesus Christ they they go to hell? at frist that what it sounds like but the bible has bin translated so many times it hard to take every thing littarly and there are times 'I think Jesus him self was not being littarl. For example, when Jesus told the people he would destory the tempal and in three days rebuild it, now we know he is talking about his body and belifs in god but before that people thougt he was talking about the building. Jesus never atully said Those who dont belive me are going to hell, I belive his words were those who dont belive me are damed. Let me explane a little more on what 'I like to think. Jesus is not giving the word of god, he is the word of god. At one point he tell us that if we do not build our lives around his words and message that we would never know true joy, and that we would be then sent to hell. This means that person must have a good relationship with god and his nighbore who was created by god. Dont get me wrong, I belive Jesus did die on the cross for humans but I dont think god would just leave those that did not think jesus was the son of god or never herd of him or was rasied in to thinking it was all a myth. If we did take every thing from the bible littarly then we would say the sky is a dome and not outer space, as it is said in the begning, We would think in oder to get in to heven we would have to rip out one our eyes and chop of our a hand off, I dont see any one doing that. We would have to kill a women by stoning her to death becuse she was not a virgian when she married, if some one did that I would think ever one would called that "evil", and when was the last time we ever saw a witch burn to the stake? These are things no one will take littraly, So could it be that it is really trying to tell us somthing different from what some chuchs claim to "know" what it means?

 

[419gam]

I am so sure I am not going to hell that I am willing to bet my soul on it.

 

[Abbadon]

I think a better title of the thread would be (considering the subject of the OP) "Believers, do you think that non-believers go to hell?"

Also, Loner, you may want to hang around in the Liberal Theology section with thoughts like that, we over there generally like stuff like that. As for hell? It was used by the Nordic pagans (as Hel-heim) to describe their view of the unpleasant after life (as opposed to Valhalla) before Christianity adopted that word. In the Bible, the after life can be devided into:

Heaven
The Grave (Sheol, Hades, the Abyss)
The Pit of Fire (Gehenna)

In Revelation, it says that the Pit of Fire is reserved for really really really evil people, murderers, rapists, so on. The Grave, as best as I can gather, is close to the Greek concept of Hades (why else would the Greek translations use that?), a really dull place, but by no means a pit of fire and damnation, and this is usually where people are supposed to end up unless they've get to heaven or they've really messed up and they are tossed into the Pit. So, do non-believers go to Hell? Only if the Nordic pagans were right, in which case, we may want to pick up swords and start pillaging.

Actually, that sounds kind of fun, I might consider it anyway...

 

[Danhalen]

I am so sure I am not going to hell that I am willing to bet my soul on it.

Take mine too, it'll be double or nothing.

 

[JGL53]

Hell is other people.

 

[Abbadon]

Hell is other people.

And country music.

And traffic court.

And the road to it all is paved with good intentions.

 

[teafortillerman]

Someone must say it, for the love of... spell check, or get someone else to look over your work. And I'll agree with Voltaire on this one as well.

 

[somasoma77]

There inevitably comes a time when evil, the devil and matter fail as an answer to life’s problems. People intuitively know that God is one and that we are all united in pure consciousness; therefore, no one is left out of heaven, and everyone possess the inherent ability to discover God. No one needs to remain in evil and darkness, if one desires to find light and live in God consciousness. When everything is seen as God, then there is nothing evil that can oppose God or divine consciousness. The devil cannot squelch, repeal or conceal pure consciousness just like we cannot stop the sun from rising; nothing has the power to stop God's pure consciousness in the individual mind. I feel sorry for the people who talk about hell, think about hell, and live in hell.

 

[skinner]

There inevitably comes a time when evil, the devil and matter fail as an answer to life’s problems. People intuitively know that God is one and that we are all united in pure consciousness; therefore, no one is left out of heaven, and everyone possess the inherent ability to discover God. No one needs to remain in evil and darkness, if one desires to find light and live in God consciousness. When everything is seen as God, then there is nothing evil that can oppose God or divine consciousness. The devil cannot squelch, repeal or conceal pure consciousness just like we cannot stop the sun from rising; nothing has the power to stop God's pure consciousness in the individual mind. I feel sorry for the people who talk about hell, think about hell, and live in hell.

Everyone possess' the ability to discover God. Not everyone chooses to!
Hell was created for the devil and his angels, but those who choose his path end up in the same place.

 

[ImmortalTechnique]

no hell, no devil, no heaven, no angels, no god


grave...

 

[JGL53]

no hell, no devil, no heaven, no angels, no god


grave...

grave? That's way too, uh, grave. Are you purposely trying to depress our christian friends?

Nirvana.

Now - that's better.

 

[JGL53]

Everyone possess' the ability to discover God. Not everyone chooses to!
Hell was created for the devil and his angels, but those who choose his path end up in the same place.

You don't mean that literally, do you? Hope not - that wouldn't make any sense.

 

[IceJad]

Do you think if some one dose not belive in Jesus Christ they they go to hell? at frist that what it sounds like but the bible has bin translated so many times it hard to take every thing littarly and there are times 'I think Jesus him self was not being littarl. For example, when Jesus told the people he would destory the tempal and in three days rebuild it, now we know he is talking about his body and belifs in god but before that people thougt he was talking about the building. Jesus never atully said Those who dont belive me are going to hell, I belive his words were those who dont belive me are damed. Let me explane a little more on what 'I like to think. Jesus is not giving the word of god, he is the word of god. At one point he tell us that if we do not build our lives around his words and message that we would never know true joy, and that we would be then sent to hell. This means that person must have a good relationship with god and his nighbore who was created by god. Dont get me wrong, I belive Jesus did die on the cross for humans but I dont think god would just leave those that did not think jesus was the son of god or never herd of him or was rasied in to thinking it was all a myth. If we did take every thing from the bible littarly then we would say the sky is a dome and not outer space, as it is said in the begning, We would think in oder to get in to heven we would have to rip out one our eyes and chop of our a hand off, I dont see any one doing that. We would have to kill a women by stoning her to death becuse she was not a virgian when she married, if some one did that I would think ever one would called that "evil", and when was the last time we ever saw a witch burn to the stake? These are things no one will take littraly, So could it be that it is really trying to tell us somthing different from what some chuchs claim to "know" what it means?

I'm incline to agree.

[Matthew 9:12-13] But when He heard this, He said, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are ill. But go and learn what this means, 'I desire compassion, and not sacrifice,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners." - New American Standard

Therefore I think(no theological backing) that it is still possible to go to heaven to be with God without accepting the perfect sacrifice of the Messiah. My retired pastor once said you can go to heaven without being a Christian provided you walk blameless before God from birth till death.

Although I believe that there is an alternative but I highly doubt it is a feasible option. How in the world is anyone going to be blameless from birth till death?

However having said that in Matthew 9:12-13, Jesus like you said likes to use metaphors and indirect sayings, so the fact is no one on earth is blameless before God and God knew it.

 

[ImmortalTechnique]

grave? That's way too, uh, grave. Are you purposely trying to depress our christian friends?

Nirvana.

Now - that's better.

we can enjoy Nirvana in life thanks to the prophet Kurt Cobain... but as far as some kind of anything after death...

nope, just death... why is that depressing? is it depressing to think that you weren't alive before you were born?

 

[JGL53]

we can enjoy Nirvana in life thanks to the prophet Kurt Cobain....

The prophet Cobain died way too soon. I'm getting kind of tired of Smells Like Teen Spirit and the two other songs that get air time - wish he had produced more good songs.

...but as far as some kind of anything after death...nope, just death... why is that depressing? is it depressing to think that you weren't alive before you were born?

Uh, yeah, the personal ego is temporal, just like everything else we consciously experience - or so it seems. I personally don't find this depressing, but apparently many of our religious brethern of the western monotheistic variety find it so. That's way we need to work with them and help with their "problem".

Tough love is good - but we probably don't need to overdo the "tough" part, if it can be helped. Slow and steady wins the race. I.e., if you throw a frog into boiling water, he will immediately jump out. But if you put him in room temp water he will stay. Then you raise the temp slowly, degree by degree - and eventually he will get boiled.

You want to boil the frogs, don't you?

 

[Species8472]

I think everyone gets a taste of hell after death. Except for those who follow the precept of Virtue--through the repentance of sin.

Sin entered the world when Christ entered the world.

 

[Species8472]

Repentance requires the end of sin; not just the mere act of saying, I repent.
But those who sins you forgive they shall be forgiven. those whose sins you retain they shall be retained...including the self.

 

[tel0004]

Therefore I think(no theological backing) that it is still possible to go to heaven to be with God without accepting the perfect sacrifice of the Messiah. My retired pastor once said you can go to heaven without being a Christian provided you walk blameless before God from birth till death.

Although I believe that there is an alternative but I highly doubt it is a feasible option. How in the world is anyone going to be blameless from birth till death?

However having said that in Matthew 9:12-13, Jesus like you said likes to use metaphors and indirect sayings, so the fact is no one on earth is blameless before God and God knew it.

Romans 3:23 Says that ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. So yes, if you were blameless before God, I think you would get into heaven, assuming the you dont inherrit Adam's sin, but its impossibile to go a week without sinning, let alone a lifetime.

 

[vajradhara]

Namaste Loner,

thank you for the post.

Do you think if some one dose not belive in Jesus Christ they they go to hell?

not at all.

At one point he tell us that if we do not build our lives around his words and message that we would never know true joy, and that we would be then sent to hell.

i can attest to the fact that he was wrong, at least on my account not only have i found joy... i've found bliss and a spaciousness wherein all mental states are accomodated and tamed.

This means that person must have a good relationship with god and his nighbore who was created by god.

i don't have a relationship with any deity, though my neighbors seem to like me ok

If we did take every thing from the bible littarly then we would say the sky is a dome and not outer space, as it is said in the begning, We would think in oder to get in to heven we would have to rip out one our eyes and chop of our a hand off, I dont see any one doing that. We would have to kill a women by stoning her to death becuse she was not a virgian when she married, if some one did that I would think ever one would called that "evil", and when was the last time we ever saw a witch burn to the stake? These are things no one will take littraly, So could it be that it is really trying to tell us somthing different from what some chuchs claim to "know" what it means?

there are Christians on both sides of this... some are literalists and others are not. personally, i think this is a reflection of their own character moreso than anything else.

metta,

~v

 

[JGL53]

Romans 3:23 Says that ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. So yes, if you were blameless before God, I think you would get into heaven, assuming the you dont inherrit Adam's sin, but its impossibile to go a week without sinning, let alone a lifetime.

All fine and well as far as it goes, but none of the above is provable, it's all just a matter of belief. And belief is a matter of free will choice. So why choose the moribund and the depressing when there are so many more excellent choices? Is it just ethnocentricism - loyalty to mom and dad - what?

The religion of the Hindus (Vedanta) has been around for around 5000 years, that of the Buddhists around 2600 years. Why can't their beliefs be the correct ones? You can't prove they aren't, any more than they can prove yours are wrong - it's all just competing assertions.

So, again, on what basis do you chose/prefer a religion that teaches that most everyone, less a few "elect", are all destined for a 'spiritual' place of eternal pain?