God did the same to the Egyptians, killing innocent children in order to punish the adults.
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God blatantly kills David's child to punish him in the bible. It isn't a matter of interpretation when something is stated so directly.
I was just using an "extra innocent" example. Pretty sure that at the time, people just interpreted every bad thing as a punishment for something, and every good thing a reward.God did the same to the Egyptians, killing innocent children in order to punish the adults.
Yup ... and David has been with that child now for thousands of years.God blatantly kills David's child to punish him in the bible.
No, He didn't.God did the same to the Egyptians,
No, He didn't.
By comparison, there is no comparison.
In the case of the Egyptian children, God gave Egypt nine powerful warnings first, and plenty of time to prevent it from happening.
You were there?Killing of the first born didn't include innocent children?
How was a 1 year old supposed to react to those warnings?
You were there?
My mother's firstborn will be 81 in September.
Likewise for Post 264.Your avoidance of the obvious answer is noted.
Likewise for Post 264.
Who do you blame?I did answer your post. Somehow, you think 1 year olds are supposed to be aware of plagues as warnings and convince the Pharaoh to change his mind, which God would not have allowed anyway.
Who do you blame?
"Mistakes"?God. You don't kill innocent children for the mistakes made by adults. That is immoral.
Can you just... Not?Your avoidance of the obvious answer is noted.
Hm, what happened to a son not being punished for the sins of the father?In the case of the Egyptian children, God gave Egypt nine powerful warnings first, and plenty of time to prevent it from happening.
"Mistakes"?
Ecclesiastes 5:6a Suffer not thy mouth to cause thy flesh to sin; neither say thou before the angel, that it was an error:
Nine prior super-warnings, and one forewarning, and they still goofed up?
He lived.Hm, what happened to a son not being punished for the sins of the father?
What say we just terminate this stuffy blame-game conversation then?Please. Read my post. If you can't understand simple English, I don't know how else to help you.
If just anyone could walk on water it wouldn't have been a miracle, would it? The Bible describes 333 miracles; none of which are possible, all of them happened. Dragons do, in fact, exist. The myth about them breathing fire came much later. The dragons in the Revelation are symbolic, as is most of the book of Revelations; as it would need to be to foretell the future without affording the possibility of changing it. As for the unicorn, the word in question is R'em. The KJV interpreted it as unicorns.I mean, from just pure commonsense it seems bizarre to me; the bible is a book describing countless things that, to our knowledge, just simply do not happen - people rising from the dead, snakes and donkeys talking, dragons and unicorns existing, people walking on water without technological assistance, miraculous healing of the blind, and this list could just keep going.
You're clearly not a scientist and are taking the word of others who have looked at the events and found them to be in conflict with the known laws of physics. Which, then, is true? To suggest that the Creator would be somehow bound by the laws of His creation would be profoundly foolish. What better way to demonstrate that He is the Creator than to systematically violate those laws throughout the existence of man? So if God is real then there are no miracles He could not perform. His greatest miracle, however, is saving the lost and offering them eternal life. Many on this forum will attest to having personal knowledge of that miracle. Science cannot account for this and yet it happens every day.And yet, somehow, you've taken this book to be literally true, and will reject empirical observations that seem to challenge it.
How sad.As of right now, I'm only aware of one way of really gaining knowledge about the world - the scientific method.
Pray tell how does one verify the supernatural with the study of the natural? Can studying fish give me a new perspective on pottery? God can only be discovered through faith.But you seem to reject anything in science which contradicts the bible, so it can't possibly be that you verified the bible via science.
If just anyone could walk on water it wouldn't have been a miracle, would it? The Bible describes 333 miracles; none of which are possible, all of them happened. Dragons do, in fact, exist. The myth about them breathing fire came much later. The dragons in the Revelation are symbolic, as is most of the book of Revelations; as it would need to be to foretell the future without affording the possibility of changing it. As for the unicorn, the word in question is R'em. The KJV interpreted it as unicorns.
"His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh."
Unicorns aren't known to push people and they have only one horn. The NIV interprets it as "wild ox" but it's as likely to mean a Rhino.
You clearly have no understanding of the Scripture and are only repeating what others have told you.
You're clearly not a scientist and are taking the word of others who have looked at the events and found them to be in conflict with the known laws of physics. Which, then, is true? To suggest that the Creator would be somehow bound by the laws of His creation would be profoundly foolish.
How sad.
We just talk to its Creator.
He has revealed that this universe is only a temporary dwelling place. It was made in six days and when God is done with it it will cease to exist.
The greatest knowledge one can posses is found by kn owing the Father, not a bunch of rocks He threw together as a short term shelter for us.
Pray tell how does one verify the supernatural with the study of the natural? Can studying fish give me a new perspective on pottery? God can only be discovered through faith.
I've always contended that miracles are impossible. That's why they're miracles.And yet, you just admitted that none of the miracles are possible.
Very true. Several, in fact. Lazarus was raised before Jesus was, and the spirit of Samuel was contacted before that.... the fact is that the core story in the bible involves a man coming back from the dead.
Incorrect. Reality is the sum total of all existence, which includes the supernatural.This simply is not something that happens in reality.
You can no more disprove the miracles of God through science than you could master brain surgery by studying diesel repair.It just seems more like a work of fiction, and that's before examining things like historical records, the geologic column, genetics, and all manner of other things that more or less force the old testament not to be true.
Having a personal relationship with the Author helps.I'm asking you how you know. Whence cometh the complete belief in this book?
Sure we can. We just can't do it scientifically. People study the Word every day.But we only ever have access to the natural. Which means we cannot study the supernatural.
True. And if you made a joke about it he'd kill you.You say we can discover god with faith... But a muslim would equally say that he can discover Allah with faith.
Only Jesus returned from the grave and only Jesus can save you today. Mohammed had 13 wives including a 9 year-old. Her believes now that Jesus is Lord, but for him that knowledge came a little late.If I examine the faith of both of you, how can I tell whose faith is right? You can't both be right.
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