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The same "faith"?The same faith you have in believing the theory of evolution, a process you didn't see with your eyes but you believe the "evidence" about it, the same faith you have when you believe the theory of the Big Bang, or Dawkin's multiverse theory, can you touch the theory of the Big Bang or one of the multiverses?
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I know!The same "faith"?
I don't need faith to believe in evolution. I can see it with my own eyes. So can you, it's all around us, evolution is a work in progress.The same faith you have in believing the theory of evolution, a process you didn't see with your eyes but you believe the "evidence" about it, the same faith you have when you believe the theory of the Big Bang, or Dawkin's multiverse theory, can you touch the theory of the Big Bang or one of the multiverses? No, so you have to accept those just by faith, the same faith that the young earth creationists have when they attack evolutionists and their theory, don't they interpret the same data as the evolutionists? The same evidence? "Evidence" is a word in the wind, we only see in that "evidence" what we want to believe. The New Testament says that the proof for God's existence is in watching the world and how perfect it is, so everytime I watch the world I see God's work, while everytime you watch the world you see a planet, we all see what we want to see.
So allow me to believe the Genesis and the Book of Job, the Holy Synods, the Councils, the Patristic writings while you believe in the modern theories.
This is very true. The Faith in the bible and god is one that stops people searching, questioning and testing. It stops them from seeing the truth.I know!
Nobody has "faith" in the multiverse that way religious people have faith in God. The comparison makes religious faith look weak and shabby, really.
Really? Evolution is all around us at the same mode creation is all around us. God said in Genesis He created animals and human beings, the heavens and the earth and I see animals and human beings, the heavens and the earth. I don't see evolution all around me, neither intermediary forms.I don't need faith to believe in evolution. I can see it with my own eyes. So can you, it's all around us, evolution is a work in progress.
Now present evidence Genesis is right.
I will allow you to believe, just not to post that it's true. They have been disproved by modern evidence, not theories.
The holy man tradition was long even before Christianity, miracles were their stock-in-trade, and many of them had a dedicated group of disciples. In times when most communication was oral and most people had seen little or nothing of the world, storytelling was advertising, social media, entertainment, education, and more.Maybe he only memorised Cure Blindness and Heal a few times.
You choose not to see. So here's the proof.Really? Evolution is all around us at the same mode creation is all around us. God said in Genesis He created animals and human beings, the heavens and the earth and I see animals and human beings, the heavens and the earth. I don't see evolution all around me, neither intermediary forms.
I don't see evolution all around me, neither intermediary forms.
Agree with most parts, except. Jesus and his disciples were in the right place at the right time with the right message, and it caught on. Paul and Peter were the ones who that applies to. They adapted Jesus's message and said it applied to everyone.The holy man tradition was long even before Christianity, miracles were their stock-in-trade, and many of them had a dedicated group of disciples. In times when most communication was oral and most people had seen little or nothing of the world, storytelling was advertising, social media, entertainment, education, and more.
Jesus and his disciples were in the right place at the right time with the right message, and it caught on. Instead of the power-talks-to-power, might-makes-right contractual approach the Romans had to their gods, this was an appeal to a community of the common man under a banner of compassion, forgiveness, and a unity of purpose and God - although there's an interesting view that the Catholic patron saints were a cultural nod to the polytheism that preceded Christianity; instead of praying to a god responsible for earthquakes, they could pray to the patron saint of earthquakes instead (Emygdius of Ascoli)
Are you ignoring me? I have told you what I meant by "reason" in that article, whenever I was using the word "reason" I didn't meant what you think, because all of you here think that reason is something completely different than in the east. If you are not going to discuss what I told you and what I searched especially for you, I can do nothing...That's because you've rejected reason as a source of epistemological authority, and so you haven't investigated the science.
eudaimonia,
Mark
Why have all gone extinct or "changed over millions of years"? I don't see how creating something must avoid the two last things, that's your interpretation not mine.You choose not to see. So here's the proof.
If god created all the animals. Why have so many gone extinct or changed dramatically over millions of years?
And that's not the problem at all, I do believe in evolution, which is something completely scientifical and logical but not in the evolution you mean.
It is obvious that God created the animals with the ability to change in order to get accostumed to this great world He created, and that's evolution, right? That's the evolution is has been observed, but I don't agree with macroevolution, that all things evoluated from "something" in the beginnings of the earth, and that has not been observed at all, that has only been speculated about over some "proofs".
I think that problem is not mine, it's a problem of the scientific community per all, that they have to reach a conclusion no matter what. As Richard Leowintin said:No, it's thè conclusion that is reached after examining the evidence - a very large volume of evidence.
But, because you don't like the conclusions we are inevitably led to, you simply ignore the offending evidence.
The answer to that is 'No, they don't expect you to accept it without serious qualms'. Even physicists working with quantum mechanics find their observations disturbing - one of the discoverers of QM, Niels Bohr, said "If quantum mechanics hasn't profoundly shocked you, you haven't understood it yet."I think that problem is not mine, it's a problem of the scientific community per all, that they have to reach a conclusion no matter what. As Richard Leowintin said:
"Many of the most fundamental claims of science are against common sense and seem absurd on their face. Do physicists really expect me to accept without serious qualms that the pungent cheese that I had for lunch is really made up of tiny, tasteless, odorless, colorless packets of energy with nothing but empty space between them?
So you're not sticking to the bibles interpretation.Why have all gone extinct or "changed over millions of years"? I don't see how creating something must avoid the two last things, that's your interpretation not mine.
So we evolved from Apes, and they evolved from other animals. So not created by god.And that's not the problem at all, I do believe in evolution, which is something completely scientifical and logical but not in the evolution you mean.
It is obvious that God created the animals with the ability to change in order to get accostumed to this great world He created, and that's evolution, right? That's the evolution is has been observed, but I don't agree with macroevolution, that all things evoluated from "something" in the beginnings of the earth, and that has not been observed at all, that has only been speculated about over some "proofs".
The only conclusion scientists strive for is the one they're working on. They let the evidence guide them. Creationists decide on the conclusion then look for evidence.I think that problem is not mine, it's a problem of the scientific community per all, that they have to reach a conclusion no matter what. As Richard Leowintin said.
paulm, I understand you do not have the enough preparation, actually you have any, for interpreting the Bible and your ignorance is what is talking because you have clearly a poor culture, not you, so please stop teaching me things about the Bible because you don't know anything about it, for me you are like a carpenter teaching me neuroscience.So you're not sticking to the bibles interpretation.
I'm open to the idea a god may have set the ball rolling, crated the big bang, started the process of life on Earth. These are the parts we're still trying to discover.
Obviously they're a long way from what any bible teaches, so none of them had any contact with any creator.
So we evolved from Apes, and they evolved from other animals. So not created by god.
What else in the OT do you think they made up?
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