"No-one comes to the Father except through me?"

[JohnClay]

John 14:6

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

But it didn't say (in that verse at least) "no-one goes to Heaven except through me (Jesus)"....

Thoughts?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

John 14:6


But it didn't say (in that verse at least) "no-one goes to Heaven except through me (Jesus)"....

Thoughts?

It's a trinitarian thing, a distinctive relationship dynamic of Christianity.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Our Father which art in Heaven...

Only way to heaven is via faith in Jesus.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

John 14:6 is talking about a way of life. Yes we are to believe in Jesus for salvation but that is only the beginning. (John 3:16, Acts 2:38, 1 John 5:7-8) We are to walk in love and holiness as he is love and holy. (1 John 4:7-21, 1 Peter 1:14-16, Romans 12:1-2) This can only be done by first receiving the Holy Spirit then completely submitting to the Holy Spirit's leadership in every aspect of our lives. As we walk with Him, we are sanctified and have confidence for the day of judgement because we are as he is in the world. (Romans 8:1-14, Galatians 5:16-25, 1 John 4:17)

 

[DamianWarS]

John 14:6


But it didn't say (in that verse at least) "no-one goes to Heaven except through me (Jesus)"....

Thoughts?

do you need to be aware of Christ's involvement in order for it to apply?

 

[timf]

An interest question is that is the general revelation of Christ (the creator John 1:3) sufficient for someone to be saved.

Those who reject the God of creation are said to be held accountable for their rejection.

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

No mention is made of what happens to those who might recognize and accept the creator.

 

[Norbert L]

John 14:6


But it didn't say (in that verse at least) "no-one goes to Heaven except through me (Jesus)"....

Thoughts?

Temple theology, it's about changing the access to the throne room of God with its' judgement seat and how that would look.

Instead of showing up to a second temple constructed by the hands of men who control how important matters are being administered, He shows up to another temple of His own making.
"Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple, and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?" 1 Corinthians 3:16

Access to God's judgement seat is determined by God and not through any man made structure of a human hierarchy. It's another way of claiming I am your God not the elite class of men in your temple who determine your fate.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

John 14:6


But it didn't say (in that verse at least) "no-one goes to Heaven except through me (Jesus)"....

Thoughts?

The Father is Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Isaiah prophesied about our Creator.
"For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
Blessings

 

[Mink61]

John 14:6


But it didn't say (in that verse at least) "no-one goes to Heaven except through me (Jesus)"....

Thoughts?

I see God the Father as our Ultimate Judge...

...and Jesus as our Ultimate Lawyer.

...and, the Holy Spirit, as our Ultimate 'Amicus Curiae' (a.k.a "friend of the court")

 

[Hawkins]

It is said in terms of Law. It is thus more or less the same thing but described differently.

Law is first established to define who (humans and angels alike) can pass the Final Judgment of Law to enter Heaven. However interaction between the fallen angels (such as the snake in Eden) and humans results that no human can enter Heaven through the Judgment of Law. Either humans as a whole shall be destroyed (along with the Earth as its purpose of existence is defeated) at the time of Noah, or God needs something else for the salvation of humans. With Jesus' self-sacrifice at some point in humanity, it makes it possible that God can grant the series of covenants through which humans are provided with a chance to "dodge" the Judgment of Law to enter Heaven.

As a result, by Law no humans can be saved except for those through Jesus with God's covenants granted legally/lawfully/legitimately.

 

[BobRyan]

John 14:6


But it didn't say (in that verse at least) "no-one goes to Heaven except through me (Jesus)"....

Thoughts?

IN Christianity there is no such thing as getting into heaven apart from the Father and the Son.

"No other name under heaven given among men

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

 

[GenemZ]

John 14:6


But it didn't say (in that verse at least) "no-one goes to Heaven except through me (Jesus)"....

Thoughts?

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."


... anyone who comes to the Father must go through Christ. To come to the Father? By default, means one is heaven bound.

 

[chilehed]

John 14:6


But it didn't say (in that verse at least) "no-one goes to Heaven except through me (Jesus)"....

Thoughts?

Those are equivalent statements. You might as well complain that when someone said A^2 + B^2 = C^2, he didn't say that A = (C^2 - B^2)^0.5.

 

[JohnClay]

Those are equivalent statements. You might as well complain that when someone said A^2 + B^2 = C^2, he didn't say that A = (C^2 - B^2)^0.5.

So you're saying when Elijah was taken up to Heaven Jesus was specifically involved and he was providing a way to the Father? It doesn't seem to be that black and white...

 

[Carl Emerson]

So you're saying when Elijah was taken up to Heaven Jesus was specifically involved and he was providing a way to the Father? It doesn't seem to be that black and white...

The Cross is a timeless event anchored in history and the effect of the cross is right across the ages.

Moses and Elijah while resurrected in the old covenant time were saved by what Jesus established on the Cross, later on in chronology.

There is only one name under heaven through which we must be saved.

 

[GenemZ]

Those are equivalent statements. You might as well complain that when someone said A^2 + B^2 = C^2, he didn't say that A = (C^2 - B^2)^0.5.

You might like my pastor. He was invited to teach some of the student body at MIT.

 

[chilehed]

So you're saying when Elijah was taken up to Heaven Jesus was specifically involved and he was providing a way to the Father? It doesn't seem to be that black and white...

You're a smart guy, and it's very clear that what I was saying was the thing that I actually said. Are you being intentionally obtuse?

 

[JohnClay]

You're a smart guy, and it's very clear that what I was saying was the thing that I actually said. Are you being intentionally obtuse?

I was looking for a justification of your view in regards to Elijah out of my curiosity - which Carl Emerson provided...

 

[GenemZ]

So you're saying when Elijah was taken up to Heaven Jesus was specifically involved and he was providing a way to the Father? It doesn't seem to be that black and white...

No believer went to heaven until after Jesus paid for our sins on the Cross. No one could.

Elijah was lifted up into the heavens to become out of sight. But, he ended up in Paradise as all OT believers did.

No person could enter heaven until their sins were experientially paid for by Jesus on the Cross. So, Elijah was not taken to Heaven itself. He was taken up into the heavens and out of sight from men's eyes..... to find himself playing poker with Job and Abraham in Paradise.

 

[hedrick]

When he made that statement, was he speaking as a human being or as the Logos? Since the Logos is viewed as responsible for creation and for human knowledge, that would allow the verse to have a wider meaning than one might think.