No more Preterist talk

[DaveKerwin]

This just in....


We won't know the day or time anyway, so quit worrying about it. Maybe our end is near, maybe these are the last days. WHO CARES!!!!!!!!!!

This is an idea... try living your life for God in such a way that if you did die today, you had no regrets. Live every day to its fullest in obedience to God and it won't matter if we are in the last days! There is too much crap to separate us in the faith.

I think I will make up my own new idea about scripture and name it, then get people to believe it, and then separate myself and and everyone who believes it so that we are not unified with other christians. Anyone want to join me? (cough.scarcasm.cough)

Yeeeaah... so I vote no more of this preterist talk.

 

[Tinker Grey]

In general I agree.

However, to be consistent, we should vote for no more futurist talk as well.

(Of course, that would mean the closure of the eschatology forum.)

Tinker

 

[NumberOneSon]

True, Tinker!

This is an idea... try living your life for God in such a way that if you did die today, you had no regrets. Live every day to its fullest in obedience to God and it won't matter if we are in the last days! There is too much crap to separate us in the faith.

Dave,

Preterists and futurists both try to live our lives to the fullest for God.

Understanding what the scripture teaches is just as important as living a Godly life (in some ways, the two go hand in hand). I don't quite understand the purpose of this thread; if you don't want to look at "preterist talk", then don't read the Preterist threads. To me it's that simple, Dave. You have the freedom to not read threads on preterism and find something else that interests you.

If various scriptural interpretations automatically equals "disunity" then every Christian discussion board on the internet should be closed down, regardless of the subject.

Why are you focused on the disagreement between preterism/futurism so much? I'm just not understanding this.

I VOTE FOR THE FREEDOM TO SHARE IDEAS WITHOUT SOMEONE ELSE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT!!!

In Christ,

Acts6:5

 

[jenlu]

No one should be involved in conversation that may/will jeopardize their faith in God and His redemption plan for mankind in the life, death, ressurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ...

If you can't handle disagreement, I would suggest not reading...I for one enjoy some of these conversations...don't get me wrong though...many of these conversations have nobody listening to nobody...they are unproductive...but excluding the ranting would exclude them all...my vote is for...if you don't want to talk about it...DON'T...

 

[DaveKerwin]

Originally posted by Acts6:5
True, Tinker!



Dave,

Preterists and futurists both try to live our lives to the fullest for God.

Understanding what the scripture teaches is just as important as living a Godly life (in some ways, the two go hand in hand). I don't quite understand the purpose of this thread; if you don't want to look at "preterist talk", then don't read the Preterist threads. To me it's that simple, Dave. You have the freedom to not read threads on preterism and find something else that interests you.

If various scriptural interpretations automatically equals "disunity" then every Christian discussion board on the internet should be closed down, regardless of the subject.

Why are you focused on the disagreement between preterism/futurism so much? I'm just not understanding this.

I VOTE FOR THE FREEDOM TO SHARE IDEAS WITHOUT SOMEONE ELSE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT!!!

In Christ,

Acts6:5

every other thread has the word preterist in it, can you say overkill? Why I became a preterist, where preterists came from, when preterism started, why my uncle embraces it, why this guy that was my former roomate disregards it.

It seems like a whole bunch of jibba jabba that does no good. excuse me if I could not bare to spend 4 hours to read all the threads on it, it just seems silly to me.

why does it matter when the last days are?

 

[jenlu]

now that was funny...I especially like the former roomate comment...good one Kerwin...but seriously there are a ton of different boards on this forum and also you could start another interesting thread...by the way...you even contributed to the jibba jabba...LOL...

 

[Didaskomenos]

Yeah? "Who's yo abba?" That's pretty silly. I mean, what purpose does that serve? I wish you'd change it.

And your name as well. I hate it when people's user names are their real names. So you should change that. I mean, who really wants to know your name?

 

[parousia70]

Originally posted by DaveKerwin

why does it matter when the last days are?

I'll take ya one further..

Do you believe it even matters that Jesus, the prophets and the apostles all preached about the "last days" at all?

Do you believe the "last days" themselves even matter, or can we just cut that part of the Bible out since it seems it isn't necessary to you?

How far are you willing to take your apparent distain for "Last days" theology?

 

[Back To The Future]

I like the preterist forums. Its the one place I am allowed to be. Since as a preterist I can't go into the Eschatology boards, at least I can fellowship with people of the same belief.

By the way, I have been wanting to know this. I can't go into the eschatology forum because of some creed that Doesn't match up with my Eschatology beliefs. But why are those that are not Preterist allowed to come into these forums and posts things that make no sense or seem not so kind?
Just wondering.
Nancy

 

[Caedmon]

Well, come on guys, let's take a look...

There are eight -- count them, EIGHT -- threads currently visible in this forum with some form of the word "preterist" in the title. To be honest, it's kind of annoying. I come in here looking for some quality "Spirituality, Religion, & Ethics" topics, and all I see is preter-this and preter-that. I mean, I know I can post threads too, but aye caramba. I'm only one guy, and I only have so many ideas lol.

Personally, I think there are enough threads on preterism already. Let's not start anymore, ok, pretty please???

 

[ArtistEd]

By the way, I have been wanting to know this. I can't go into the eschatology forum because of some creed that Doesn't match up with my Eschatology beliefs. But why are those that are not Preterist allowed to come into these forums and posts things that make no sense or seem not so kind?
Just wondering.

That's simple Nancy, their afraid to be challenged and preterists are not. It's kinda like teaching evolution in public schools and not even allowing it to be challenged. That way they can take pride and feel superior in the unchallengable nonsense without the discomfort of the truth. That's what I believe, anyways. Of course, they could disprove me and open it up to a real debate with real guidelines so where each side could be represented by a couple of people only and the rest of those who wanted to participate could back them up. That way it wouldn't deteriorate into mudslinging.

Ed

 

[parousia70]

Originally posted by humblejoe
I come in here looking for some quality "Spirituality, Religion, & Ethics" topics, and all I see is preter-this and preter-that.

Joe,
If you believe this section is not suitable for preterist discussion,you'll have to take that issue up with the forum moderators.

Preterists did not choose the "Spirituality, Religion and Ethics" section, but we have been sequestered here by those in control of the board.

Preterism is an eschatological view, and as such, we prets have always asserted that our discussion belongs in the eschatology section, however, the owners of the site have, in their infinite wisdom, decided this topic belongs here and here alone.

Until such a time as they move us someplace else, expect to see more and more "preter-this and preter-that" threads in this section, for this is the section the owners wish to cultivate preterist discussion.

In Christ,
P70

 

[Ozarkpreterist]

There is no soul living who holds more firmly to the doctrines of grace than I do, and if any man asks me whether I am ashamed to be called a Calvinist, I answer—I wish to be called nothing but a Christian; but if you ask me, do I hold the doctrinal views which were held by John Calvin, I reply, I do in the main hold them, and rejoice to avow it. But far be it from me even to imagine that Zion contains none but Calvinistic Christians within her walls, or that there are none saved who do not hold our views. - Charles H. Spurgeon

Hey humblejoe,

I have an great idea for a new thread. We can call it "famous Christians who were preterists." Do you know who we would have to include? John Calvin who was for the most part a preterist and Charles H. Spurgeon who was a least a partial preterist. What do you say?

Just kidding you brother, but unless the forum administrators decide to silence us, what you ask is unlikely to happen.

Ozark

 

[Didaskomenos]

Parousia70 is right, humblejoe. I enjoy agreeing with you on many issues, but you're way off here. I (among others) am soaking it up, and trying to understand it better. I am grateful for the discussion.

They recently moved all preterist topics from eschatology to this forum. It makes no sense to me, since preterism studies the "last things," the only difference being they place those "last things" in the past, not the future. Makes me sick.

 

[Didaskomenos]

That's simple Nancy, their afraid to be challenged and preterists are not. It's kinda like teaching evolution in public schools and not even allowing it to be challenged. That way they can take pride and feel superior in the unchallengable nonsense without the discomfort of the truth. That's what I believe, anyways.

I agree with you, Ed. It's extremely frustrating to one who is pursuing the Truth, even when it's not the accepted dogma.

 

[Caedmon]

I really apologize guys if I came across offensively. I just don't spend a lot of time -- in fact, no time -- thinking about preterism. I guess it's kind of my fault, because I haven't yet taken the time to see what it's all about. I'm sorry if I let arbitrary feelings get in the way, but I just got frustrated for a sec. It's just that since I know almost nothing about preterism, it's really agitating to see it all over the place, and then not be able to engage in discussion on it. Could somebody please direct me to a link briefly outlining preterism and futurism? Again guys, I'm really sorry.

 

[Auntie]

Originally posted by humblejoe

Well, come on guys, let's take a look...

There are eight -- count them, EIGHT -- threads currently visible in this forum with some form of the word "preterist" in the title. To be honest, it's kind of annoying. I come in here looking for some quality "Spirituality, Religion, & Ethics" topics, and all I see is preter-this and preter-that. I mean, I know I can post threads too, but aye caramba. I'm only one guy, and I only have so many ideas lol.

Personally, I think there are enough threads on preterism already. Let's not start anymore, ok, pretty please???

humblejoe, I used to read this same complaint in the Eschatology Forum. As long as the preterists were there, no one could talk about the end times because preterists would butt in and say the end times are "history". Page one would be nothing but preterism threads.

The way it is now in the Spirituality Forum, that's the same way it WAS in the Eschatology Forum. Then the preterists got sent here. All of the preterist threads got sent here too. And now the End Times Forum is peaceful, people there can actually have a discussion without the constant interruptions.

 

[davo]

Originally posted by humblejoe
I really apologize guys if I came across offensively. I just don't spend a lot of time -- in fact, no time -- thinking about preterism. I guess it's kind of my fault, because I haven't yet taken the time to see what it's all about. I'm sorry if I let arbitrary feelings get in the way, but I just got frustrated for a sec. It's just that since I know almost nothing about preterism, it's really agitating to see it all over the place, and then not be able to engage in discussion on it. Could somebody please direct me to a link briefly outlining preterism and futurism? Again guys, I'm really sorry.

No worries joe , we all have our moments when we react to things -or interupt where maybe enoughs been said already -she's cool mate!

Try this link that outlines roughly the bones of preterism [funnily enough it's from a futurist uni ]

http://www.liberty.edu/courses/theo250/preterism.html

davo

 

[parousia70]

Originally posted by Auntie_Belle_Um


humblejoe, I used to read this same complaint in the Eschatology Forum. As long as the preterists were there, no one could talk about the end times because preterists would butt in and say the end times are "history". Page one would be nothing but preterism threads.

The way it is now in the Spirituality Forum, that's the same way it WAS in the Eschatology Forum. Then the preterists got sent here. All of the preterist threads got sent here too. And now the End Times Forum is peaceful, people there can actually have a discussion without the constant interruptions.

Hi Aunite,
Thanks for "Butting in". you know you are always welcome here!
Mind if I rephrase your comments to relfect what I believe really happened?

Cool, thanks, here goes:

humblejoe, I used to read this same complaint in the Eschatology Forum. As long as the preterists were there, people could no longer talk only about futurism because preterists would interceed and present scriptural evidence and precident of the fact that the end times are "history". Page one would be nothing but preterism threads started by futurists wanting to know more about preterism.

The way it is now in the Spirituality Forum, that's the same way it WAS in the Eschatology Forum. Then the preterists got sent here. All of the preterist threads got sent here too. And now the End Times Forum is back to futurism only, people there can only discuss futurism, and are subseuently being deprived of learning about and discussing 3/4 of the other, Christian endtimes views held by the Church throughout History.

Now, the Spirituality forum is fast becoming the most popular forum thanks to it's preterist discussion and debate, and the eschatology forum is waxing old and growing weary due to a lack of interesting, thought provoking and meaningful discussion, which is why folks like aunti continue to interrupt and butt in here, since, unlike the way she and others treated preterists in the eschatology forum, she and the others know they are welcome to and in fact encouraged to join us here.

What Ed said is true, Preterists are not afraid to be challenged, and futurists are, although futurists can dish it out, when it comes to taking it, they could surley take a page or two from preterists.

P70

 

[NumberOneSon]

BTW, I personally don't see preterism being moved here as a form of punishment, or "persecution" of any kind. It's simply a matter of order. The creators of this forum have created certain boards to discuss certain issues, and the Administrators created the Eschatology board for the purpose of discussing future issues (whether preterists like it or not). The ownders have a right to do that...we're merely guests on their board. They saw fit that preterism was best suited on another board, and I have no problem with that. They are allowing us to discuss our ideas, as long as it is here.

Now there may be some futurist posters (Auntie not included ) that may want to fluff their tail feathers and promote the propoganda that preterists were removed from the Eschatology forum as some form of repremand or punishment, and they can chose to believe that delusion at their leisure. Preterists were not removed for disciplinary reasons, and the purpose for the move was in order that Futurists and Preterists could have their own places to discuss their particular eschatology without rangling. Frankly, I'm glad that I no longer have to spend over half my posts defending myself as if I were charged in a Salem witch trial.

So I do appreciate that the Administrators have given us a place to post our ideas. I'm happy we have been given the chance to have "preterist talk" here.

In Christ,

Acts6:5