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Hello,

I am new here and reaching out because I am at a cross roads. My husband and I have had a very rocky marriage.... some what I consider abuse... emotional abandonment...
Due to this I do not trust him with my feelings. I am trying to decide what to do, leave or stay. He is not a Christian so he won't go with me to Christian counseling...he may go to secular counseling but I'm not sure my heart can be renewed toward him. I used to pray for us to work it out, he just kept behaving the same way and now I pray to know what to do... anyone else been here.

Thank you for any insight,
SLW
 

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You can go to Christian counseling for yourself to get unbiased feedback.
You can go to secular counseling for your marriage.
I don't blame you for the negative feelings if you have been hurt repeatedly.
A person starts to withdraw from a situation where there is chronic pain.
What communication about this have you had so far?
 
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Hello,

I am new here and reaching out because I am at a cross roads. My husband and I have had a very rocky marriage.... some what I consider abuse... emotional abandonment...
Due to this I do not trust him with my feelings. I am trying to decide what to do, leave or stay. He is not a Christian so he won't go with me to Christian counseling...he may go to secular counseling but I'm not sure my heart can be renewed toward him. I used to pray for us to work it out, he just kept behaving the same way and now I pray to know what to do... anyone else been here.

Thank you for any insight,
SLW

I am sorry to hear that the relationship is going downhill. If you are hoping to get some insight we can pray for you, but you have not really explained much of the situation to do more than that. Some more explanation might help folks give advice, if you feel comfortable.

What do you see as abuse in the relationship?

What do you mean by emotional abandonment?

What do you see as the biggest disagreements in the marriage?

What did you try up until now?

What do you think he would say about your part in this?

Did you ever get along well?

Were you a Christian when you were married, or did you become a Christian later?

Would you be willing to go to secular counseling?
 
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Hello,

I am new here and reaching out because I am at a cross roads. My husband and I have had a very rocky marriage.... some what I consider abuse... emotional abandonment...
Due to this I do not trust him with my feelings. I am trying to decide what to do, leave or stay. He is not a Christian so he won't go with me to Christian counseling...he may go to secular counseling but I'm not sure my heart can be renewed toward him. I used to pray for us to work it out, he just kept behaving the same way and now I pray to know what to do... anyone else been here.

Thank you for any insight,
SLW

Jesus said we were allowed divorce because of the hardness of our hearts. Sadly, hearts are no less hard today than they ever were. It only takes one with the hard heart to cause a divorce.

it may very will be that you will actually have no choice but to separate. That would not be what God would prefer - He has shared His opinion of divorce - but that is a possibility.

Is it the case that staying with your husband causes him to sin against you over and over? Perhaps it is best to take away that opportunity for him to sin that way.

I cannot decide that kind of thing for you, I don't know your particulars . . . . . But I know such situations do exist. And then a divorce may become necessary.
 
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Okay, I will try to be more specific about my situation. Sorry in advance for it being so long.

Our marriage has never been great, I probably shouldn't have married him. He gave me an ultimatum and I got anxious about being alone and said yes. There were signs when we dated, if we would start to talk about something he didn't want to discuss he would just walk away and leave. When I told him about things that made me feel bad, he wouldn't stop doing them. For example, flirting or looking at other women in front of me. I was going to church, but obviously I wasn't walking with God the way I should have been or I would have thought more about my decision and trusted that if I didn't marry him I would be okay and God would lead me where I needed to be in my life.

As far as abuse, cursing at me, pushed me down once, saying things like shouting "You are the worst ____ (f word) in the world", in front of my son. Telling me "We all" (meaning he and my sons) feel it is your fault these things are happening. Things like arguments because I asked about something more than once or needed clarification.

Emotional abandonment meaning we don't talk about feelings, we really only talk about what is going on in our kids lives (they are 18 and 21) or about what we need to do to the house or finances. When I have tried to talk about our relationship he gets angry and usually walks away or says "whatever". . . He will avoid confrontation at ALL costs.

Also, when I don't feel well or am recovering from surgery he makes me feel like it is an imposition on him. I went to the ER about 1 and a 1/2 years ago he let me go alone, then wasn't answering the phone when I called for a ride home due to them having to give me pain meds (he had fallen asleep, which really made me feel he didn't care), I had to take a taxi home.

I have stayed until now because aside from our issues he really has been supportive to our two sons. Very involved in their sporting activities and enjoying them. Although I will say he has gone over the edge with each of them at least once, putting his hand around their throat and telling them not to walk away from him.... funny because he walks away.

I would go to secular counseling as soon as we can afford it. Right now we are having to pay for Physical Therapy for my 18 year old due to a sports injury. I say I would go but honestly, I have opened my self up to trusting him so many times and then he will do something that closes me off to being vulnerable again. I don't trust him with my heart.

He would say that I don't talk to him, that I nag at him. How can asking a question about feelings be nagging...I don't understand this. He has said we are at a point in our relationship that we tolerate each other. So in his eyes we put up with being around each other, rather than care. We stopped saying "I love you about 12 years ago". . . He would also say that I caused him unhappiness by relocating us closer to my elderly mom and my sister. He was very unhappy about relocating and having to go backwards on the career ladder. He held a grudge for 10 years. Mind you, I had been apologizing for moving for 10 years. I had planned every vacation around things he liked to do. I encouraged him to buy a motorcycle, go hang out with friends.... anything I could think of but he still was angry with me.

Only after I went into the mental hospital for depression did he finally let it go. The depression came on after my oldest moved out and I started having anxiety about coming home to him. Anxiety about our lack of a relationship, anxiety over feeling this would be how my life would be forever (stuck in an unloving marriage)... I could go on but I hope this gives you a bigger picture.
 
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Okay, I will try to be more specific about my situation. Sorry in advance for it being so long.

Our marriage has never been great, I probably shouldn't have married him. He gave me an ultimatum and I got anxious about being alone and said yes. There were signs when we dated, if we would start to talk about something he didn't want to discuss he would just walk away and leave. When I told him about things that made me feel bad, he wouldn't stop doing them. For example, flirting or looking at other women in front of me. I was going to church, but obviously I wasn't walking with God the way I should have been or I would have thought more about my decision and trusted that if I didn't marry him I would be okay and God would lead me where I needed to be in my life.

As far as abuse, cursing at me, pushed me down once, saying things like shouting "You are the worst ____ (f word) in the world", in front of my son. Telling me "We all" (meaning he and my sons) feel it is your fault these things are happening. Things like arguments because I asked about something more than once or needed clarification.

Emotional abandonment meaning we don't talk about feelings, we really only talk about what is going on in our kids lives (they are 18 and 21) or about what we need to do to the house or finances. When I have tried to talk about our relationship he gets angry and usually walks away or says "whatever". . . He will avoid confrontation at ALL costs.

Also, when I don't feel well or am recovering from surgery he makes me feel like it is an imposition on him. I went to the ER about 1 and a 1/2 years ago he let me go alone, then wasn't answering the phone when I called for a ride home due to them having to give me pain meds (he had fallen asleep, which really made me feel he didn't care), I had to take a taxi home.

I have stayed until now because aside from our issues he really has been supportive to our two sons. Very involved in their sporting activities and enjoying them. Although I will say he has gone over the edge with each of them at least once, putting his hand around their throat and telling them not to walk away from him.... funny because he walks away.

I would go to secular counseling as soon as we can afford it. Right now we are having to pay for Physical Therapy for my 18 year old due to a sports injury. I say I would go but honestly, I have opened my self up to trusting him so many times and then he will do something that closes me off to being vulnerable again. I don't trust him with my heart.

He would say that I don't talk to him, that I nag at him. How can asking a question about feelings be nagging...I don't understand this. He has said we are at a point in our relationship that we tolerate each other. So in his eyes we put up with being around each other, rather than care. We stopped saying "I love you about 12 years ago". . . He would also say that I caused him unhappiness by relocating us closer to my elderly mom and my sister. He was very unhappy about relocating and having to go backwards on the career ladder. He held a grudge for 10 years. Mind you, I had been apologizing for moving for 10 years. I had planned every vacation around things he liked to do. I encouraged him to buy a motorcycle, go hang out with friends.... anything I could think of but he still was angry with me.

Only after I went into the mental hospital for depression did he finally let it go. The depression came on after my oldest moved out and I started having anxiety about coming home to him. Anxiety about our lack of a relationship, anxiety over feeling this would be how my life would be forever (stuck in an unloving marriage)... I could go on but I hope this gives you a bigger picture.

I thought there was hope before reading this. If you haven't said "I love you" in twelve years, that's pretty telling. Do you love him?
 
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I have been committed, but as for love . . . I can't say that I do. I will say that I stopped saying it first. I think because I was so upset about the flirting and looking at other women....on top of us not being able to talk about feelings. He did have a problem with internet porn for awhile. As far as I can tell he doesn't do that any more.
 
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I have been committed, but as for love . . . I can't say that I do. I will say that I stopped saying it first. I think because I was so upset about the flirting and looking at other women....on top of us not being able to talk about feelings. He did have a problem with internet porn for awhile. As far as I can tell he doesn't do that any more.

My husband, who is a Christian, had a problem with internet porn a long time ago, too, and also looked at other women that way. I think they go hand in hand. He was filled with lust. I can only say that it was the Lord that healed that part of him and our marriage, but He is a Christian and was willing to be humbled by the Lord. I do think it would probably make a huge difference in your marriage if you just 'loved' him again. Have you heard of the 30-day love challenge? If you truly want to save your marriage, you might want to consider it.
 
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I haven't heard of the 30 day love challenge. How does it work? Again, I'm not sure I dare to trust him with my heart. Can this work if I don't?

What I find interesting, is the one time he would talk to me for a short time (right before going into the mental health hospital, I broke down sobbing) I was sobbing and he was in the bath tub (I figured he was kinda trapped and couldn't easily leave) anyway I was sobbing and said "I am very anxious about our relationship" and "I feel our house is lonely" he said it is lonely but I picked you and I will only leave if you are unfaithful... why would he want to stay? He then in an irritated voice said it was "just a stage"...
that was basically it. Seeing that he was getting upset I felt let down and stopped talking. He is not a stupid man, in fact he is very intelligent. But when it comes to us he must be in denial.

There a few other times one in particular when we were in a hotel going to a Christmas Dance for his office. I was at the height of my depression, he was laying on the bed and I just laid on his chest sobbing, (mind you he normally gets angry when I cry, but I was so depressed I let all my guards down) needing him to hug me to say something to show me somehow that he cared. He set his arm on me and said nothing... During that time I was desperate to feel that he cared. When I came home from the hospital he was being nicer, but wouldn't address the issues we had that played a part in my hospitalization. In his mind those things were over and done and now we move on. As much as I wanted to trust that his being nicer meant something, I was worried that it was temporary. Then when I was having trouble with my medication I tried to share it, I said "I don't think these meds are working" and I was teary, he said "What do you want me to do about it". I need to stick up for myself, I can't go backwards and feel that I am stuck and have no control over my life, my relationship. I guess I know how he will react so I just don't try. He did say he would go to counseling "for me". I just don't know if I have it in my anymore. All I can think of is that it is just a temporary fix until he hurts me again.
 
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I haven't heard of the 30 day love challenge. How does it work? Again, I'm not sure I dare to trust him with my heart. Can this work if I don't?

What I find interesting, is the one time he would talk to me for a short time (right before going into the mental health hospital, I broke down sobbing) I was sobbing and he was in the bath tub (I figured he was kinda trapped and couldn't easily leave) anyway I was sobbing and said "I am very anxious about our relationship" and "I feel our house is lonely" he said it is lonely but I picked you and I will only leave if you are unfaithful... why would he want to stay? He then in an irritated voice said it was "just a stage"...
that was basically it. Seeing that he was getting upset I felt let down and stopped talking. He is not a stupid man, in fact he is very intelligent. But when it comes to us he must be in denial.

There a few other times one in particular when we were in a hotel going to a Christmas Dance for his office. I was at the height of my depression, he was laying on the bed and I just laid on his chest sobbing, (mind you he normally gets angry when I cry, but I was so depressed I let all my guards down) needing him to hug me to say something to show me somehow that he cared. He set his arm on me and said nothing... During that time I was desperate to feel that he cared. When I came home from the hospital he was being nicer, but wouldn't address the issues we had that played a part in my hospitalization. In his mind those things were over and done and now we move on. As much as I wanted to trust that his being nicer meant something, I was worried that it was temporary. Then when I was having trouble with my medication I tried to share it, I said "I don't think these meds are working" and I was teary, he said "What do you want me to do about it". I need to stick up for myself, I can't go backwards and feel that I am stuck and have no control over my life, my relationship. I guess I know how he will react so I just don't try. He did say he would go to counseling "for me". I just don't know if I have it in my anymore. All I can think of is that it is just a temporary fix until he hurts me again.

I think that it would much more helpful for you to stop focusing on how he is damaging the relationship and start focusing on how you are damaging the relationship. It sounds like you are constantly needing something from him and/or demanding something from him instead of just giving to him. The focus is all on you. No wonder you are so miserable. The 30-day love challenge ( you can easily find it with a google search ) takes all the focus off of yourself and puts it on the other person, regardless of what they do. If you can love him unconditionally for that long, it is likely his heart toward you will change. However, if you have decided you don't want to trust him, open your heart to him, or even love him, then there is really no point in any of it.
 
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Okay, I will try to be more specific about my situation. Sorry in advance for it being so long.

Our marriage has never been great, I probably shouldn't have married him. He gave me an ultimatum and I got anxious about being alone and said yes. There were signs when we dated, if we would start to talk about something he didn't want to discuss he would just walk away and leave. When I told him about things that made me feel bad, he wouldn't stop doing them. For example, flirting or looking at other women in front of me. I was going to church, but obviously I wasn't walking with God the way I should have been or I would have thought more about my decision and trusted that if I didn't marry him I would be okay and God would lead me where I needed to be in my life.

As far as abuse, cursing at me, pushed me down once, saying things like shouting "You are the worst ____ (f word) in the world", in front of my son. Telling me "We all" (meaning he and my sons) feel it is your fault these things are happening. Things like arguments because I asked about something more than once or needed clarification.

Emotional abandonment meaning we don't talk about feelings, we really only talk about what is going on in our kids lives (they are 18 and 21) or about what we need to do to the house or finances. When I have tried to talk about our relationship he gets angry and usually walks away or says "whatever". . . He will avoid confrontation at ALL costs.

Also, when I don't feel well or am recovering from surgery he makes me feel like it is an imposition on him. I went to the ER about 1 and a 1/2 years ago he let me go alone, then wasn't answering the phone when I called for a ride home due to them having to give me pain meds (he had fallen asleep, which really made me feel he didn't care), I had to take a taxi home.

I have stayed until now because aside from our issues he really has been supportive to our two sons. Very involved in their sporting activities and enjoying them. Although I will say he has gone over the edge with each of them at least once, putting his hand around their throat and telling them not to walk away from him.... funny because he walks away.

I would go to secular counseling as soon as we can afford it. Right now we are having to pay for Physical Therapy for my 18 year old due to a sports injury. I say I would go but honestly, I have opened my self up to trusting him so many times and then he will do something that closes me off to being vulnerable again. I don't trust him with my heart.

He would say that I don't talk to him, that I nag at him. How can asking a question about feelings be nagging...I don't understand this. He has said we are at a point in our relationship that we tolerate each other. So in his eyes we put up with being around each other, rather than care. We stopped saying "I love you about 12 years ago". . . He would also say that I caused him unhappiness by relocating us closer to my elderly mom and my sister. He was very unhappy about relocating and having to go backwards on the career ladder. He held a grudge for 10 years. Mind you, I had been apologizing for moving for 10 years. I had planned every vacation around things he liked to do. I encouraged him to buy a motorcycle, go hang out with friends.... anything I could think of but he still was angry with me.

Only after I went into the mental hospital for depression did he finally let it go. The depression came on after my oldest moved out and I started having anxiety about coming home to him. Anxiety about our lack of a relationship, anxiety over feeling this would be how my life would be forever (stuck in an unloving marriage)... I could go on but I hope this gives you a bigger picture.

I see two possibilities here. One is, everything you say is perfectly true. In that case you must separate immediately.

The other is, things aren't as you portray them, and you just think they are that way. In that case, you should separate from him for his sake.

Then, while separated, consider what the life is like separated and whether or not you should divorce. You should not continue with that kind of relationship.

Such hardness of heart is an ongoing sin that must not be allowed to continue.

Tough it up and do the separation for his sake, so he will stop sinning against you. You should not participate in his racking up any more guilt.
 
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Do you perceive that his anger over the move was more because of the loss of money in his previous career, or that he is not happy with his current job overall?

If you would, please talk a bit more about how you decided to move, what he said at the time, etc.
 
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As for focusing on myself, that was a slow build, I used to focus everything on him, for years. What he wanted, what he needed. I even did some things that went against my idea of love making to fulfill his needs. . . I turned the focus to me when nothing was being reciprocated. It is hard to continue to give when you don't receive back. I know that God gives us love no matter what. I wish I felt the way I used to, thinking of our anniversary even if he forgot it, buying him Father's Day cards even though he feels I am not his Mother so he doesn't do Mother's Day for me. When I went shopping for clothes for me I usually ended up with clothes for him instead. Planning trips for what he enjoys because I wanted him to be happy, then on the trip he was indifferent or irritated. So was I expecting to much?

As for the move, we were in California and had two small kids at that time. I really wanted to stay home with them, he didn't see the big deal, he felt it didn't make a difference whether I raised them or they were at day care. I was willing to move to a cheaper house and stay on a budget, but he didn't care, he wanted the life style we had. Then we had to relocate because the Middle School my kids would have attended was really SCARY, drugs, gangs... it was either move into a 600,000 dollar house for better schools or move to another area. I thought if we moved closer to family I could be there for my elderly mom and living would be cheaper so I could stay home. No, he didn't want to move, but he didn't want to compromise so I could stay home either. But our relationship had already headed south before the move. That was just the nail in the coffin. I'm not sure what was right or wrong here. I know we should have been able to compromise so we could have both gotten what we wanted. But since we don't communicate, or he won't talk about things with me and for once I won, but at a cost. He did decide that if we built our home he would be more willing to move. And, if his parents moved close to us. He got both those things. I thought it was all good, I was near my mom and he was near his older parents. But it didn't matter, he ended up not being happy. Having things made him happy, new cars a boat. So I guess I was a bad wife, I'm not sure, we were bad partners for sure. So now we are at this junction in our relationship.

Is wanting a better relationship to much to ask? Or do I keep my commitment and stay married even though we are just tolerating it?
 
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I guess my bottom line is, we both have made mistakes, I'm sure I have hurt him, I am not perfect. But I feel he has crossed the line. How much does one take, I feel I deserve some of his distance because he feels "I moved him and ruined his life". When is it enough to pay for my mistake of relocating our family or any other mistakes I have made in the marriage?
 
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I guess my bottom line is, we both have made mistakes, I'm sure I have hurt him, I am not perfect. But I feel he has crossed the line. How much does one take, I feel I deserve some of his distance because he feels "I moved him and ruined his life". When is it enough to pay for my mistake of relocating our family or any other mistakes I have made in the marriage?

He shouldn't be 'making you pay' at all. This doesn't sound like a marriage to me.
 
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I agree. But I struggle with "for better for worse". . . I know God hates divorce, that is another reason I've stayed. I just keep thinking if I do the right thing things will change. But maybe God doesn't want me to stay in this marriage and that is why things haven't changed. It is all so confusing.
 
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I agree. But I struggle with "for better for worse". . . I know God hates divorce, that is another reason I've stayed. I just keep thinking if I do the right thing things will change. But maybe God doesn't want me to stay in this marriage and that is why things haven't changed. It is all so confusing.

What do you see as doing the right thing? Unless you start to submit to him as your head and RESPECT him, nothing will get better. You are to be a Godly wife, even if he isn't a Godly man.
 
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So he can mistreat me as part of a Godly marriage? Submit to him, hmmm lets just say the last 9 years I have given him what he wants. I have tried just watching him work on his car and offered to help in whatever he is doing. I have asked for input about our kids and respected his opinion. I did respect him at one time. How do you respect someone who doesn't seem to give a rip about your feelings anymore? I get submitting, I'm just not sure that means be a door mat.
 
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So he can mistreat me as part of a Godly marriage? Submit to him, hmmm lets just say the last 9 years I have given him what he wants. I have tried just watching him work on his car and offered to help in whatever he is doing. I have asked for input about our kids and respected his opinion. I did respect him at one time. How do you respect someone who doesn't seem to give a rip about your feelings anymore? I get submitting, I'm just not sure that means be a door mat.

It's not a Godly marriage. You are not married to a Godly man. You are called, however, to be a Godly wife regardless. You respect his position as the head/leader of the family. You don't have to feel respect for him, just act respectfully. If you don't want to, which I totally understand, then don't expect anything to get better. That's all I'm saying. You have a choice. You know what God expects of you in a marriage. If you don't want to do that, then get a divorce. Your heart is already hard.
 
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And if I act respectfully and nothing changes, then what... I feel I have but maybe I wasn't? Am I crazy to think adults can compromise? He now has decided he wants to move out of the country when he retires (8 yrs) if I trusted him with my feelings and knew he would be there for me if I have more mental health issues I could do it. I'm terrified to move out of the country because of how we are now. So is it more that he answers to God for mistreating me and I just put up a wall and march on?
 
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