I can't believe I never saw it before. I know take the Eddaic account of creation as literally true!
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No longer a theistic evolutionist! I've been convinced!
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The "Earth" or "Midgard" is really just one of 9 worlds. It was created by Odin and his brother Vili and Ve out of the body of the recently killed frost giant, Ymir. The land is made from his skull. The clouds are his brains, and the oceans are his blood. How do I know this? It's all accounted for in the Eddas. How do I know the Eddas are true? They agree with science (even though science is evil). For example, the Eddas say that Thor is the God of thunder and when he throws his hammer, Mjolnir, it causes thunder and lightning, but the hammer always returns to him just like a boomerang!!!! How could Snori Sturlson (the author of the Eddas) know that lightning travels down to earth and then back up to the clouds unless it was revealed to him by divine revelation?!
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So you are now a Young Earth Creationist?
Well sort of. THIS earth might be young, the Eddas don't indicate how old it is. But since time is cyclical, who knows how many times the Ragnarok has washed away the earth only for it to spring back into life anew? It's one of the great mysteries that we'll never know until we sit by Odin's side in Valhalla and ask the great alfather himself.
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I'm a bit confused. The Eddas, are based on the Old Norse polytheistic (pagan) beliefs. However yes, Snorri was a Christian author but he documented the pagan cosmological world-view of the Norse.
Are you saying you are following the Eddas, and not the Bible? I've never heard that from a Christian before.
Are you saying you are following the Eddas, and not the Bible? I've never heard that from a Christian before.
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Well yeah how could it NOT be true? There's so much scientific truth in the Eddas that Snorri couldn't possibly have known at the time.
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My stance on this:
I'm a Christian. However i own a lot of literature, and own the Eddas. My view on the pagan Gods is that they existed as mortals, and were simply venerated heroes or legendary kings (i.e apotheosis). The early Christian Church shared my view on this, it's called euhemerism. In fact Snorri, in his prologue of the Prose Edda explains all this:
Odin and Thor are not real Gods, but were venerated mortals based on legendary kings to the divine level. This also occured in ancient Egypt and with Imerial cults in Rome.
As for the cosmology of the ancient Norse, there are some interesting points on this, a lot of it shares similarity with Biblical themes. I believe all pagan belief has root in the Bible.
I'm a Christian. However i own a lot of literature, and own the Eddas. My view on the pagan Gods is that they existed as mortals, and were simply venerated heroes or legendary kings (i.e apotheosis). The early Christian Church shared my view on this, it's called euhemerism. In fact Snorri, in his prologue of the Prose Edda explains all this:
Odin and Thor are not real Gods, but were venerated mortals based on legendary kings to the divine level. This also occured in ancient Egypt and with Imerial cults in Rome.
As for the cosmology of the ancient Norse, there are some interesting points on this, a lot of it shares similarity with Biblical themes. I believe all pagan belief has root in the Bible.
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Eddas Online:
The Prose Edda Index
Read the Prologue.
Snorri wrote that the Norse Gods were not real Gods but venerated legendary figures from Troy (the Aesir). This is the euhemeristic approach the earliest Christians took (as i follow).
I don't see how you can call yourself a Christian and an Edda literalist however, since the Eddas are pagan. Though i read in another thread, you arn't a Christian, you only use that label since you grew up a Christian.
Perhaps then you are a Pagan Creationist?
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I guess I should explain, I don't think that Odin, Vili and Ve are all GODS in the same sense that Christians mean it. They were not uncreated creators. In fact they are mortals. The only thing that has kept them alive for this long is Idunna's apples of eternal youth (the garden of eden?).
Odin and his brother were created from the sweat of Ymir as Audumbla the cosmic cow licked the salt from his body. Now, who created Audumbla and set Ymir in that giant block of ice? The God of the Bible of course!
The Eddas and the Bible can coexist.
Odin and his brother were created from the sweat of Ymir as Audumbla the cosmic cow licked the salt from his body. Now, who created Audumbla and set Ymir in that giant block of ice? The God of the Bible of course!
The Eddas and the Bible can coexist.
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Just to inform you, i don't understand sarcasm or parody. That is why i take everything seriously i read. If you are not serious with this thread, please tell me, so i don't waste my time.
If not, and you are serious. Then i would like to continue this convo, since i am a believer in most mythology (euhemerist approach).
So what you are saying is, you believe in the Bible and Eddas at same time? That is possible perhaps as a form of Biblical-syncretism (just as the greeks did to ancient egyptian mythology).
Tell me do you honestly believe in the 9 worlds of the ancient norse?
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MAN! I must be the world's worst troll. I already feel guilty about messing with such a nice guy(or girl).
Yes I'm a Christian, no I don't take the Eddas literally, yes I still take a scientific stance on the origins of the world.
But your view on mythology is interesting. I haven't met anyone else on this forum that thinks like you do. I believe that there is truth in every story. The norse "gods" and hero's were probably inspired by real people.
But no I don't believe in the 9 worlds.
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I think what he means is that the myths and legends are probably really REALLY exaggerated accounts of real people and events.
EDIT: King Arthur for example was probably based on a real person who story was embellished over the years. If not for the Christianization of Europe followed by the age of reason, he might have become a god eventually.
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Saw your profile ''Conan'' etc. You have a lot of my interests, so i thought you might actually believe this literally. I've been searching for real pagan creationists, they just don't seem to exist (unfortuantly) however. Modern pagans don't believe in the pagan cosmologies literally, it's a shame.
Yes that's what i believe, myths have embedded historical truth. You just have to extract it. I don't like people who say nothing in myths and legends is real, since they fail to understand the basis of them.There is evidence and a different interpretation with Norse myth, that the ''9 worlds'' were all infact on the earth (one plane) and so not above and under. For example, the abode of elves, Alfheimr actually was based on a real historical region in Norway. The Ynglinga saga (also written by Snorri) states Alfheim was actually a place on the borders of Norway. In the Eddas however Alfheim has another-world setting, not based on earth.
It is possible, that Dwarfs were based on transported legends of pygmies from India or Africa (note also how they are described as dark skinned in the Eddas ''blacker than pitch''). I think these myths are therefore all historicall true to an extent.
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Saw your profile ''Conan'' etc. You have a lot of my interests, so i thought you might actually believe this literally. I've been searching for real pagan creationists, they just don't seem to exist (unfortuantly) however. Modern pagans don't believe in the pagan cosmologies literally, it's a shame.
There is evidence and a different interpretation with Norse myth, that the ''9 worlds'' were all infact on the earth (one plane) and so not above and under. For example, the abode of elves, Alfheimr actually was based on a real historical region in Norway. The Ynglinga saga (also written by Snorri) states Alfheim was actually a place on the borders of Norway. In the Eddas however Alfheim has another-world setting, not based on earth.
It is possible, that Dwarfs were based on transported legends of pygmies from India or Africa (note also how they are described as dark skinned in the Eddas ''blacker than pitch''). I think these myths are therefore all historicall true to an extent.
Yeah read a theory that Asgard is Asia, etc. I've never heard of the idea that the pygmies might be dwarfs. In fact I read that the image of dwarfs as short and dark skinned is relatively recent. Originally they were tall and pale (from living under ground) but with black hair, hence Svartalfs or "black elfs".
Edit: Yeah and I've never met a hard polytheist before either. All of the pagans I know believe in one God-like...thing that has many aspects. I supposed I believe in "the gods" in a Jungian sense. That is, they exist as psychological, mythic archetypes in our own personalities....or something like that. But they aren't real.
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Yea that's true, there were pale white dwarfs. The Dwarf called Alvis is described as Sva fölr um nasar meaning ''pale skinned about the nose'' (Poetic Edda, Alvíssmál). However there were ''black dwarves'' and ''dark elves'', i believe these were based on transported legends of pygmies from the far south. I would interprete their abode, from the ''south'' as meaning far southern foreign lands from Norway (i.e India). The Norse colonised, and traded across a vast distance, so it is easy that these legends came to be incorporated in their mythology.
Pygmies even appear in Greek mythology as well. These small mythological races, and similar i.e gnomes probably were all based on once existant populations. An interesting author who wrote on this, was David Macritchie, his theory was that the fairies of British legend were in fact based on Picts (an indigeous Scottish people) who were remarkebly shorter, and unique in appearance, than the other tribes or people's of Britain (i.e Celts, Saxons).
I;m strictly a Monotheist. I only believe in one God, but i believe the Gods of pagan mythology were real in the sense they were based on mortals but then exhalted to the divine status through myth (over the years, their mortal status became transfigured into a higher Godly status). Therefore Odin, Thor etc or the Greek Gods probably all once existed. In fact this interprtation is thousands of years old, Plato and Euhemerus used it, the latter believed Zeus was a once real King of Crete, who became a God via veneration because of excessive worship because he ruled as a good king. I think this is a reasonable explanation.
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