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<blockquote data-quote="joey_downunder" data-source="post: 58595404" data-attributes="member: 242214"><p></p><p>I think for many people some of the flesh is involved especially when a christian is still a babe-in-Christ (new or immature in their faith believer). i.e. not wanting to get punished versus sad that they have displeased God. Grace is given to the totally undeserving who however still believe in God. You and I will never deserve grace. Through faith I have accepted God's grace and as a result I getting more focused on pleasing God not avoiding punishment- will you now do the same? Don't look at the past, the past can't be undone. Are you willing to do that now even though you know you <em>may</em> never feel or see things any differently in <em>this </em>lifetime?</p><p> </p><p></p><p>I think God does understand circumstances when we can forgive but should not forget. e.g. not let child abusers get away it because they just say sorry and expect the apology to be accepted. However we need to look at the general position of God first. <a href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/matthew+18%3A21-35/" target="_blank">matthew 18:21-35/</a> How much unforgiveness towards our wrongdoers is because we are genuinely seeking justice for wrongdoing or only because we are personally grieved or offended? God knows our hearts. <a href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Ephesians%204%3A26/" target="_blank">Ephesians 4:26/</a> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>I have read similar Christian articles backed up by Bible passages in context that agree with what you're saying as well. I know to some extent my abuser is sorry for what they did. I am still forgiving in stages but I never will trust them. Too much was said and done for me to forget it all. I want to protect my children from that person's subtle influence and mind games as well by protecting my own mental health. </p><p></p><p>Again God knows whether we are hating someone because of our own sinful nature or whether we are hating that person's sin. We can still wish that person good e.g. asking God to bring a criminal to justice is not hatred of that person. That is probably what is best for them and loving your neigbour (potential victims) as well. Loving someone who hates you and doing good for those who hurt you is totally contrary to the world's values. That is what God wants though. <a href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/proverbs+25%3A21-22/" target="_blank">proverbs 25:21-22/</a></p><p> </p><p>-----</p><p>Will have to come back later again. My boy is nearly over his tummy ache though.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="joey_downunder, post: 58595404, member: 242214"] [I][/I] I think for many people some of the flesh is involved especially when a christian is still a babe-in-Christ (new or immature in their faith believer). i.e. not wanting to get punished versus sad that they have displeased God. Grace is given to the totally undeserving who however still believe in God. You and I will never deserve grace. Through faith I have accepted God's grace and as a result I getting more focused on pleasing God not avoiding punishment- will you now do the same? Don't look at the past, the past can't be undone. Are you willing to do that now even though you know you [I]may[/I] never feel or see things any differently in [I]this [/I]lifetime? [I][/I] I think God does understand circumstances when we can forgive but should not forget. e.g. not let child abusers get away it because they just say sorry and expect the apology to be accepted. However we need to look at the general position of God first. [URL="http://www.esvbible.org/search/matthew+18%3A21-35/"]matthew 18:21-35/[/URL] How much unforgiveness towards our wrongdoers is because we are genuinely seeking justice for wrongdoing or only because we are personally grieved or offended? God knows our hearts. [URL="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Ephesians%204%3A26/"]Ephesians 4:26/[/URL] I have read similar Christian articles backed up by Bible passages in context that agree with what you're saying as well. I know to some extent my abuser is sorry for what they did. I am still forgiving in stages but I never will trust them. Too much was said and done for me to forget it all. I want to protect my children from that person's subtle influence and mind games as well by protecting my own mental health. [I][/I] Again God knows whether we are hating someone because of our own sinful nature or whether we are hating that person's sin. We can still wish that person good e.g. asking God to bring a criminal to justice is not hatred of that person. That is probably what is best for them and loving your neigbour (potential victims) as well. Loving someone who hates you and doing good for those who hurt you is totally contrary to the world's values. That is what God wants though. [URL="http://www.esvbible.org/search/proverbs+25%3A21-22/"]proverbs 25:21-22/[/URL] ----- Will have to come back later again. My boy is nearly over his tummy ache though. [/QUOTE]
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