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<blockquote data-quote="joey_downunder" data-source="post: 58536054" data-attributes="member: 242214"><p>It is a partnership. The Holy Spirit reveals to us what the Bible means. Sometimes on a personal level, others on intellectual understanding level. </p><p></p><p>In quite a few people's entries you have struggled with understanding metaphors and word pictures and you have asked for them to explain what they mean. How is your understanding of the Bible when only facts and historical narratives are involved?</p><p></p><p>Again if you are waiting for signs and wonders to occur to make your faith exist and/or concrete then it is highly unlikely that you would/will ever be a christian.</p><p></p><p>You have had me typing to you for a long time now. I am on the same level as you, without experiences, without obviously answered prayers. This is a feeling person talking now - I find that quite hurtful and in fact slightly insulting. I have shared how much you and I have in common and in spite of that I still have faith. Somehow everything I have typed has left so little impact. How many other people in the world with my medical AND information literacy qualifications, musical ability, personal time, AND neurological imperfections are likely to type to you or speak with you on your level? If you're expecting an angel to appear to you then that ain't gonna happen. </p><p></p><p>And what are you going to do with that recognition? Are you going to ignore that, make excuses, or seek to make things right with God?</p><p></p><p>There is a hint of subtle pride there. "Outsiders do not see things clearly as people who know me and now agree with me that my life has no meaning". I say outsiders see your situation clearly and objectively. People close to you have been worn down and depressed into agreeing with you. Slowly dripping taps do leave their mark eventually. </p><p> </p><p>You are definitely smart enough and eloquent enough to make your world view sound "oh so convincing" and your situation "oh so justified and dignified". Think the main character of a Greek or Shakespearean tragedies in a 21st century neurological setting and you deserve an Oscar/Grammy award. Anyone with enough verbal/literary skill is able to somehow argue black=white and night=day. You are using that skill to avoid faith itself. I know what you're up to even if those around you do not <em>because I did exactly the same thing</em>. There are hidden benefits to being considered different and handicapped on a certain level, people give you more understanding and don't come down on you as hard. You've taken it to the spiritual level as well just like I did. It may work on <em>people</em>, it sure won't work on <em>God</em>. </p><p></p><p>No from pretty early on I realised I was typing to an "almost christian". Whether you are an "almost christian" from not enough faith that your faith is enough for salvation, or whether you are an "almost christian" because Christianity is now in the "too hard" basket is between you and God. </p><p></p><p>I knew it would be challenging but you need to do it for your own sake. You have become too accustomed to looking at the world through your grey-coloured depression "life is meaningless" glasses.</p><p>Yes that is possible. You are the unique person to do that. I can empathise with people with those issues from LOSS of experiences not from LACK of experience. </p><p></p><p>Now that is an excuse-and-a-half. What is in it for you personally to not be a christian? What will you have to give up that you don't want to? </p><p></p><p>Parents correct their children, not strangers' children. Parents correct their children out of love because they want what's best for them. If God is your parent then God will have used/will use your experiences to shape you as well.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="joey_downunder, post: 58536054, member: 242214"] It is a partnership. The Holy Spirit reveals to us what the Bible means. Sometimes on a personal level, others on intellectual understanding level. In quite a few people's entries you have struggled with understanding metaphors and word pictures and you have asked for them to explain what they mean. How is your understanding of the Bible when only facts and historical narratives are involved? Again if you are waiting for signs and wonders to occur to make your faith exist and/or concrete then it is highly unlikely that you would/will ever be a christian. You have had me typing to you for a long time now. I am on the same level as you, without experiences, without obviously answered prayers. This is a feeling person talking now - I find that quite hurtful and in fact slightly insulting. I have shared how much you and I have in common and in spite of that I still have faith. Somehow everything I have typed has left so little impact. How many other people in the world with my medical AND information literacy qualifications, musical ability, personal time, AND neurological imperfections are likely to type to you or speak with you on your level? If you're expecting an angel to appear to you then that ain't gonna happen. And what are you going to do with that recognition? Are you going to ignore that, make excuses, or seek to make things right with God? There is a hint of subtle pride there. "Outsiders do not see things clearly as people who know me and now agree with me that my life has no meaning". I say outsiders see your situation clearly and objectively. People close to you have been worn down and depressed into agreeing with you. Slowly dripping taps do leave their mark eventually. You are definitely smart enough and eloquent enough to make your world view sound "oh so convincing" and your situation "oh so justified and dignified". Think the main character of a Greek or Shakespearean tragedies in a 21st century neurological setting and you deserve an Oscar/Grammy award. Anyone with enough verbal/literary skill is able to somehow argue black=white and night=day. You are using that skill to avoid faith itself. I know what you're up to even if those around you do not [I]because I did exactly the same thing[/I]. There are hidden benefits to being considered different and handicapped on a certain level, people give you more understanding and don't come down on you as hard. You've taken it to the spiritual level as well just like I did. It may work on [I]people[/I], it sure won't work on [I]God[/I]. No from pretty early on I realised I was typing to an "almost christian". Whether you are an "almost christian" from not enough faith that your faith is enough for salvation, or whether you are an "almost christian" because Christianity is now in the "too hard" basket is between you and God. I knew it would be challenging but you need to do it for your own sake. You have become too accustomed to looking at the world through your grey-coloured depression "life is meaningless" glasses. Yes that is possible. You are the unique person to do that. I can empathise with people with those issues from LOSS of experiences not from LACK of experience. Now that is an excuse-and-a-half. What is in it for you personally to not be a christian? What will you have to give up that you don't want to? Parents correct their children, not strangers' children. Parents correct their children out of love because they want what's best for them. If God is your parent then God will have used/will use your experiences to shape you as well. [/QUOTE]
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